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eLMeR ◊ 2015-03-20 22:33	The first Francophone African film, released in 1955 by and Mamadou Sarr and Paulin Soumanou Vieyra. The movie was shot in Paris because the French colonial administration didn't allow the directors to make a film on their continent. No dialogs, only an voiceover talking about how people can (should?) live together. A little gem for whom likes Paris, 1950s, cars and African traditional music. The movie lasts only 20 minutes, including almost 15 shot in the streets of Paris, and the main characters are walking down the street most of the time. A perfect witness of French vehicle market in 1955, but anti-background cars militants won't like it ____ 1955 traffic common scenes: (00:03:57 / 00:10:43 - Lots of Citroën Tractions // 00:15:10 - Stopped at the traffic light) I really like this shot, as it can no longer be seen for a long time: (00:12:11 - Traffic -and parking- in front of Notre-Dame!) (00:10:13) -- Last edit: 2015-03-20 22:36:45
DidierF ◊ 2015-03-21 02:19	(Je crois bien qu'elles sont un peu "plates", tes photos.)
eLMeR ◊ 2015-03-21 02:51	@ DidierF Si tu parles de leur qualité, c'est la seule version du film que j'aie pu trouver, alors il faudra faire avec : je n'ai aucune envie de retravailler tout ça avec Gimp (ou tout autre logiciel). Si tu pensais au choix desdites images, je dirai que "dégoûts et des douleurs..." (I'm aware that the pictures are not really good, but I didn't find a better copy of that movie) -- Last edit: 2015-03-21 03:00:48
eLMeR ◊ 2015-03-21 05:30	Of course, the streets show a lot of background cars which are not worth their own page. But I found interesting to see all these vehicles that have become so scarce... (00:07:41 - - Citroën Traction, 2CV and Type H : U23 & U45 trucks are missing to have the whole vehicule line of Citroën of that era...) (00:07:54 - - 1950-56 Renauklt 4CV "Découvrable". 9500 cars were made with this body) (00:12:59 - - "Extra trunks" for 2CV were proposed by a lot of car accessories sellers -fr) Among lot of models of Citroën 2CV and derivatives, pre- and post-war Citroën Traction, Citroën type H / HZ, Peugeot 203, Renault 4CV and Renault Juvaquatre Camionnette (1939-43) or Fourgonnette (1946+), some other more or less common vehicles, in 1955: (1950-51?) Simca 8 Coupé: (00:04:05 - ) 1952-56 Moris Minor? (00:04:50 - ) 1953? Ford Comète (apparently without the hood scoop, so not a Monte-Carlo) (00:04:53 // 00:04:53 - ) Ford Vedette: (00:07:40 - - 1949+ model // 00:10:04 - - 1953-54 model) 1948-53 Panhard Dyna X (with 1950+ grille), also known as Louis XV or le Crapaud (the Toad): (00:08:35 - ) The only VW Coccinnelle / Beetle / Käfer / etc. appearing in the movie (with another Morris Minor?), but no doubt, it has been shot in Paris : (00:09:03 - ) (Damaged?) 1952+ Renault Frégate: (00:09:12 - ) 1951+ Renault Coloral Prairie (or a rare Colorale Taxi?) (00:10:37 - ) -- Last edit: 2015-03-21 05:36:06
eLMeR ◊ 2015-03-21 05:52	The 50s wouldn't be the 50s without any US cars US Duno 1 (00:08:32 - ) US Duno 2 (00:11:18 - ) A 1947-52 Studebaker Champion. The chrome bar in front of the front fender is certainly a clue to have a more precise model year? (00:12:48 - )
eLMeR ◊ 2015-03-21 05:59	Some other cars I didn't manage to identify: Duno 1: (00:03:37 - ) Duno 2, the convertible in the background: a Rosengart SuperTraction LR 500? The trunk doesn't seem to fit... (00:03:38 - ) Duno 3: a Renault taxi? (00:03:45 - ) Duno 4: (00:04:13 - ) Duno 5 (00:04:56 - ) Duno 6 (the big sedan just behind the scooter): (00:10:46 - ) Duno 7: some Citroën? (00:15:14 - ) Duno truck. Not the Dodge D15, the cattle truck: (00:09:06 - ) Buses from that era, for which I have no idea what they could be: (00:04:23 // 00:04:26 - ) (00:13:30 - - The same as the one just above?) -- Last edit: 2015-03-21 21:31:09
DidierF ◊ 2015-03-21 06:28	Your Duno 1, I would have take it for an Aronde. Duno 2, Rosengart as you said, yes. Duno 3 & 4, Renault Taxi G7 [KZ11]. Duno 5, I woud bet more on a camionnette Renault than a Citroën. Duno 6 is a taxi Renault [KZ23]. Duno 7 and duno truck, I duno. The busses seem all to be Renaults TN6A. (And your pics would gain if you gave something like a 107% increase in height.)
DidierF ◊ 2015-03-21 06:47	Quote The movie was shot in Paris because the French colonial administration didn't allow the directors to make a film on their continent. Dommage que cette partie ne soit pas sourcée sur https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paulin_Soumanou_Vieyra — I would have been eager to know the source of this information. And hear what Jean Rouch would have said of it. -- Last edit: 2015-03-21 06:52:06
DidierF ◊ 2015-03-21 06:51	eLMeR wrote @ DidierF Si tu parles de leur qualité, c'est la seule version du film que j'aie pu trouver, alors il faudra faire avec : je n'ai aucune envie de retravailler tout ça avec Gimp (ou tout autre logiciel). Si tu pensais au choix desdites images, je dirai que "dégoûts et des douleurs..." (I'm aware that the pictures are not really good, but I didn't find a better copy of that movie) (I hadn't read this, sorry. No, I find the pics very fine, though captured out of an un-restaured copy. Actually I was just talking of format/ratio. They are slighlty squeezed.)
Commander 57 ◊ 2015-03-21 13:42	eLMeR, the Studebaker is indeed a Champion (Deluxe) and from either the '47 or '48 model year. I would list as 1947 both because it's the first possible year and because the hood ornament doesn't appear to have a ring around the front, although admittedly it's hard to tell for certain. The 1948 version had the ring added. (The chrome front fender ornaments were optional both years so that does not help with m.y. ID.)
eLMeR ◊ 2015-03-21 20:01	DidierF wrote Dommage que cette partie ne soit pas sourcée sur https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paulin_Soumanou_Vieyra — I would have been eager to know the source of this information. And hear what Jean Rouch would have said of it. The source is given in the WP page of Paris sur Seine, with a link to an interview with Julien Farenc (1), who says exactly: Le premier film réalisé par des africains est Afrique sur Seine (1955), tourné à Paris, faute d'autorisation de tournage au Sénégal ! This can be read at the end of the first third of the article. Do you accept it as a valid source? I'm sure that Jean Rouch would have understood (which doesn't mean accept) that it was certainly more easy, in 1955, beginning of the decolonization, to obtain authorization for making movies in Africa when being a 38 years old white French anthropologist than when being young black African students (with at least one of them known for his leftist opinions) wondering about their place in the French society... _____ 1: chargé de collections au département de l'Audiovisuel de la BNF / responsible of the audiovisual collections of the National Library of France. More info about him here (fr). -- Last edit: 2015-03-21 20:03:51
eLMeR ◊ 2015-03-21 20:33	@ Commander 57 Thanks for the details. As rjluna2 would say, for my reference. But I'm a computer geek, so I'll use a tag to find it more easily later #refeL -- Last edit: 2015-03-21 20:40:49
Buc84 ◊ 2015-03-21 21:01	eLMeR wrote The 50s wouldn't be the 50s without any US cars US Duno 1 1950/51 Buick (00:08:32 - ) US Duno 2 1950-51 Oldsmobile 98 (00:11:18 - ) -- Last edit: 2015-03-21 21:26:13 (eLMeR)
eLMeR ◊ 2015-03-21 21:32	Thanks, Buc84! DidierF wrote Your Duno 1, I would have take it for an Aronde. Bondieumécébiensûr ! The extra trim mislead me: I thought about a US or a European luxury car, yet I found it really to small to be one... DidierF wrote Duno 2, Rosengart as you said, yes. Despite the non fitting shape of the trunk? DidierF wrote Duno 3 & 4, Renault Taxi G7 [KZ11]. Thanks, yet the Vivaquatre name would sound less IMCDb geek The grille of the Duno 3 seems a bit different, but it could be due to the wrong ratio. Cars of that era are somewhat hard to identify, sometimes DidierF wrote Duno 6 is a taxi Renault [KZ23]. Thanks for this other Vivaquatre (a 1935 model only? As far as I understood, that's apparently what means the KZ23 code) DidierF wrote The busses seem all to be Renaults TN6A. Worth a page? DidierF wrote (And your pics would gain if you gave something like a 107% increase in height.) Repetitive humor, or you're trying a new mantra ? -- Last edit: 2015-03-21 21:35:27
DidierF ◊ 2015-03-21 22:04	DidierF wrote (And your pics would gain if you gave something like a 107% increase in height.) eLMeR wrote Repetitive humor, or you're trying a new mantra ? Pardon ? I beg your pardon? Ni l'un ni l'autre. J'ai juste copié une de tes photos et cherché à savoir comment rétablir les bonnes proportions et par approximations successives, je suis arrivé à 107% d'augmentation de la hauteur. Mais bon. Je prends note.
eLMeR ◊ 2015-03-22 01:52	DidierF wrote (And your pics would gain if you gave something like a 107% increase in height.) All main pictures converted from 719x454 to 719x488. They seem indeed to look better, now. I won't do it for the pictures in the comments, as I'm lazy and I don't want antp to ban me for picture spamming -- Last edit: 2015-03-22 01:53:42
sixcyl ◊ 2015-03-22 12:03	eLMeR wrote 1953? Ford Comète (apparently without the hood scoop, so not a Monte-Carlo) (00:04:53 // 00:04:53 - ) No, it's a Samson 2300 Sport , model 1954 . It Worth its own page
50sParis ◊ 2016-02-25 02:55	Nice work Elmer, an important short indeed ** bus I think a Bentley or RR left of the bus
dsl ◊ 2016-02-25 14:38	50sParis wrote I think a Bentley or RR left of the bus Looks interesting, whatever it is. My guess is something French or maybe German - any ideas??
eLMeR ◊ 2016-02-27 05:58	No better views available: (00:02:59 // 00:03:00) The way the roof "ends" on the trunk makes me think about a 1953+ Ford Vedette. But what looks to be a vertical grille in the first thumb doesn't fit, then (although it doesn't seem that vertical in the second). I don't see any large French car that would fit that shape: the Hotchkiss Anjou was clearly different, for example... If I'm not mistaken, there were in fact no new large or luxury cars made in France just after WWII, due to the Pons plan (fr). Except scarce models of Delahaye or Delage (or even more scarce Bugatti), all with coachbuilders bodies. But the one of this car looks too "standard" to be one of them, I think.

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