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◊ 2013-10-04 06:54 |
![]() Nice little thriller signed by David Eady, based on a Boileau & Narcejac's novel. Four cars only, but what cars! One truck… and one delightful bimoteur, IMPDb! ![]() ![]() Et un film de plus pour IMCDb ! |
◊ 2013-10-04 08:56 |
Although the Rolls Royces are big cars, we do not consider them as limousines, just sedan ![]() |
◊ 2013-10-04 10:07 |
A limousine is a body style with a division between the driver and the passenger compartment, irrespective of its size or make. An open drive limousine has no roof over the driver, similar to a sedanca. |
◊ 2013-10-04 14:34 |
... except in Germany, where a limousine is virtually every sedan: VW Typ 1, Goggomobil ... |
◊ 2013-10-04 14:38 |
Who is "we"? And do you want to make cry more than one Rolls-Ryce owner? |
◊ 2013-10-04 16:00 |
The limousine body style has a divider separating the driver from the rear passenger compartment. This partition usually contains a sliding (often soundproof) glass window so that conversations between passengers in the rear compartment may be kept private from the chauffeur. Communication with the driver is possible either by opening the window in the partition or by using an intercom system. There are two alternative versions of the style. The Limousine-Landaulet has a removable or folding roof section over the rear passenger seat. The Limousine de-ville has a solid roof over the rear passengers but a removable or folding roof section over the driver's seat. Ex Wikipedia, but a good description of the perceived meaning of the word in the 1950s when this car was constructed. |
◊ 2013-10-04 16:30 |
That's English definition. Originally in French and German a limousine has a 3rd side window. So even a Renault 4 L is a limousine ![]() But here on IMCDb usually we use that mostly for stretched cars, but in some case for factory-models which are longer than usual or with chauffeur-passenger separation (but not all the time for the latter one, or else many non-stretched Lincoln Town Car or taxis could be listed as such...) -- Last edit: 2013-10-04 16:33:32 |
◊ 2013-10-04 16:38 |
The explanation on German: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limousine It's said there, but without telling details, that in French there are two different names "la limousine" and "la berline" The modern definition is: closed roof, two seat-tows, with A-, B- and C-pillar and a trunk, original with 4 doors, but 2 doors are o.k., too. With the classic definition John from Staffs is right. P.S. In one topic John is not right Wiki points out, that the main feature of a Limousine is the closed roof, closed till the front screen. The sides of the separate chauffeur's compartment can be open, but not the roof. -- Last edit: 2013-10-04 16:55:07 |
◊ 2013-10-04 17:08 |
P.S. In one topic John is not right Wiki points out, that the main feature of a Limousine is the closed roof, closed till the front screen. The sides of the separate chauffeur's compartment can be open, but not the roof.[/quote] http://www.boldride.com/ride/1924/ballott-2lt-open-drive-limousine Apart from the fact that it should be a Ballot. -- Last edit: 2013-10-04 17:09:33 |
◊ 2013-10-04 17:09 |
Well, I've quoted Wiki. There it's said so. |
◊ 2013-10-04 18:27 |
Sorry guys, this IS a Limousine![]() ![]() |
◊ 2013-10-04 18:28 |
Not in German ![]() |
◊ 2013-10-04 18:30 |
Once again, what is a "limousine" according to "we", here? That is the question, since a big car with separation betwen the chauffeur and the passengers won't make it. |
◊ 2013-10-04 18:38 |
As far I have understand "our" practices, a car with an extra extended chassis and body -"Stretch Limousine" to be precise- will be classified as "Limousine". Look, what all is listed as "Limousine" here: /vehicles.php?resultsStyle=asImages&yearFrom=&yearTo=&makeMatch=2&make=&modelMatch=1&model=&modelInclModel=on&modelInclChassis=on&class5=5&origin=&madein=&madefor=&role= |
◊ 2013-10-04 18:55 |
Non mas d'accord, ingo. All I'm pointing is that there are some rather floating criteria to mark a car as a limousine, here. For instance, according to we-garco, this one is not: /vehicle_636065-Rolls-Royce-Silver-Wraith-1951.html but this one is: /vehicle_630895-Rolls-Royce-25-30-hp-1938.html -- Last edit: 2013-10-04 18:56:30 |
◊ 2013-10-04 19:14 |
There are some floating criteria, for sure. If a "Stretch Limousine" is shrunk into a "Limousine", why is a BL Mini expanded to be a "Supermini"? There are also the differences in perception in the various languages, as pointed out above. I fear that there will be no end to it! |
◊ 2013-10-04 19:19 |
I don't get it. I would have thought that would count as a limousine (unless it's a taxi) |
◊ 2013-10-04 19:19 |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limousin_%28cattle%29 |
◊ 2013-10-04 19:22 |
Oh right, thanks Sandie ![]() |
◊ 2013-10-04 19:23 |
If you follow the link provided by Ingo, looking at the first page it shows three post war Armstrong-Siddeleys, which were lengthened saloons referred to by the maker as limousines. The pre-war Armstrong-Siddeley Twenty is a Landau. |
◊ 2013-10-04 19:31 |
To me, on this site the limousine category should mean either: a) A "stretched limousine" where an extra section has been added to the middle (this can include European mourners cars) b) A particularly large or extended luxury car with a partition between passenger and drive eg. Daimler DS420, Cadillac Fleetwood 75 (75 was later swapped for Limousine) Though there might be a few things that don't quite fall into these groups. EDIT: Just thought of one; Maybach 62, very long (6.2m), very expensive luxury car but no division between the driver and back seat (not as standard anyway) Half are listed here as sedans, half as limousines. -- Last edit: 2013-10-04 20:31:34 |
◊ 2013-10-04 20:01 |
As written in the German Wiki, this was the origin, classic definition from 100 years ago. But nowadays the definition has changed. ![]() -- Last edit: 2013-10-04 20:01:19 |
◊ 2013-10-04 20:03 |
Ingo, I just said except taxis ![]() -- Last edit: 2013-10-04 20:04:17 |
◊ 2013-10-04 20:13 |
Hey, a bit more confusion ![]() Two more "Limousines": http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limousine_%28Begriffskl%C3%A4rung%29 - a specific overcoat from carter of the French region Limousin - a French oak-tree (Quercus robur) And when you click on the English translation of the Wiki-link above, you will have http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berlina -- Last edit: 2013-10-04 20:13:16 |
◊ 2013-10-04 20:24 |
I think it only really gets tricky when you look at pre-1950s Rolls-Royces. |
◊ 2013-10-04 20:33 |
Aha, at Wiktionary there are both: http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/limousine @G-MANN: the separtion of the driver is not mentioned. @johnfromStaffs: but the roof over the whole passenger-room, incl.(!) the driver |
◊ 2013-10-04 20:39 |
Well that page on wiktionary is not gospel. |
◊ 2013-10-04 20:41 |
Is the determination, we are try to unite and establish right here, right now, gospel? |
◊ 2013-10-04 20:46 |
I meant just because that wiktionary page doesn't mention a partition doesn't mean anything. This is what the Oxford English Dictionary has to say: http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/limousine?q=limousine But I'm not sure a car absolutely must have a partition to be classed as a limousine. -- Last edit: 2013-10-04 20:49:48 |
◊ 2013-10-04 21:38 |
A lot of the body types are now obsolete anyway. Perhaps it's time to simplify things, like saying just Sedan (or Saloon), Sports Car or Convertible, and leaving it at that. |
◊ 2013-10-07 15:04 |
That's why originally the limousine category was just for stretched limousines, as having all others as sedan wasn't a problem. |
◊ 2013-11-03 23:41 |
Aircraft at: http://impdb.org/index.php?title=Faces_in_the_Dark |