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Faces in the Dark, Movie, 1960 IMDB

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DidierF FR

2013-10-04 06:54

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Nice little thriller signed by David Eady, based on a Boileau & Narcejac's novel.

Four cars only, but what cars!
One truck… and one delightful bimoteur, IMPDb!
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Et un film de plus pour IMCDb !

garco NL

2013-10-04 08:56

Although the Rolls Royces are big cars, we do not consider them as limousines, just sedan :)

johnfromstaffs EN

2013-10-04 10:07

A limousine is a body style with a division between the driver and the passenger compartment, irrespective of its size or make. An open drive limousine has no roof over the driver, similar to a sedanca.

chris40 UK

2013-10-04 14:34

... except in Germany, where a limousine is virtually every sedan: VW Typ 1, Goggomobil ...

DidierF FR

2013-10-04 14:38

garco wrote Although the Rolls Royces are big cars, we do not consider them as limousines, just sedan :)

Who is "we"?
And do you want to make cry more than one Rolls-Ryce owner?

johnfromstaffs EN

2013-10-04 16:00

The limousine body style has a divider separating the driver from the rear passenger compartment. This partition usually contains a sliding (often soundproof) glass window so that conversations between passengers in the rear compartment may be kept private from the chauffeur. Communication with the driver is possible either by opening the window in the partition or by using an intercom system. There are two alternative versions of the style. The Limousine-Landaulet has a removable or folding roof section over the rear passenger seat. The Limousine de-ville has a solid roof over the rear passengers but a removable or folding roof section over the driver's seat.

Ex Wikipedia, but a good description of the perceived meaning of the word in the 1950s when this car was constructed.

antp BE

2013-10-04 16:30

johnfromStaffs wrote The limousine body style has a divider separating the driver from the rear passenger compartment.

That's English definition.
Originally in French and German a limousine has a 3rd side window. So even a Renault 4 L is a limousine :D
But here on IMCDb usually we use that mostly for stretched cars, but in some case for factory-models which are longer than usual or with chauffeur-passenger separation (but not all the time for the latter one, or else many non-stretched Lincoln Town Car or taxis could be listed as such...)

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Ingo DE

2013-10-04 16:38

The explanation on German: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limousine It's said there, but without telling details, that in French there are two different names "la limousine" and "la berline"
The modern definition is: closed roof, two seat-tows, with A-, B- and C-pillar and a trunk, original with 4 doors, but 2 doors are o.k., too.
With the classic definition John from Staffs is right.

P.S. In one topic John is not right
johnfromStaffs wrote An open drive limousine has no roof over the driver, similar to a sedanca.
Wiki points out, that the main feature of a Limousine is the closed roof, closed till the front screen. The sides of the separate chauffeur's compartment can be open, but not the roof.

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johnfromstaffs EN

2013-10-04 17:08

P.S. In one topic John is not right Wiki points out, that the main feature of a Limousine is the closed roof, closed till the front screen. The sides of the separate chauffeur's compartment can be open, but not the roof.[/quote]

http://www.boldride.com/ride/1924/ballott-2lt-open-drive-limousine

Apart from the fact that it should be a Ballot.

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Ingo DE

2013-10-04 17:09

Well, I've quoted Wiki. There it's said so.

sixcyl FR

2013-10-04 18:27

Sorry guys, this IS a Limousine
[Image: vache_limousine.jpg]

:whistle:

Ingo DE

2013-10-04 18:28

Not in German :p There it's neuter "Limousin". The car is a female "Limousine".

DidierF FR

2013-10-04 18:30

Once again, what is a "limousine" according to "we", here? That is the question, since a big car with separation betwen the chauffeur and the passengers won't make it.

Ingo DE

2013-10-04 18:38

As far I have understand "our" practices, a car with an extra extended chassis and body -"Stretch Limousine" to be precise- will be classified as "Limousine".
Look, what all is listed as "Limousine" here: /vehicles.php?resultsStyle=asImages&yearFrom=&yearTo=&makeMatch=2&make=&modelMatch=1&model=&modelInclModel=on&modelInclChassis=on&class5=5&origin=&madein=&madefor=&role=

DidierF FR

2013-10-04 18:55

Non mas d'accord, ingo.
All I'm pointing is that there are some rather floating criteria to mark a car as a limousine, here.

For instance, according to we-garco, this one is not:
/vehicle_636065-Rolls-Royce-Silver-Wraith-1951.html
but this one is:
/vehicle_630895-Rolls-Royce-25-30-hp-1938.html

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johnfromstaffs EN

2013-10-04 19:14

There are some floating criteria, for sure. If a "Stretch Limousine" is shrunk into a "Limousine", why is a BL Mini expanded to be a "Supermini"?

There are also the differences in perception in the various languages, as pointed out above.

I fear that there will be no end to it!

G-MANN UK

2013-10-04 19:19

sixcyl wrote Sorry guys, this IS a Limousine


I don't get it.

DidierF wrote That is the question, since a big car with separation betwen the chauffeur and the passengers won't make it.


I would have thought that would count as a limousine (unless it's a taxi)

Sandie SX

2013-10-04 19:19

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limousin_%28cattle%29

G-MANN UK

2013-10-04 19:22

Oh right, thanks Sandie ;)

johnfromstaffs EN

2013-10-04 19:23

If you follow the link provided by Ingo, looking at the first page it shows three post war Armstrong-Siddeleys, which were lengthened saloons referred to by the maker as limousines. The pre-war Armstrong-Siddeley Twenty is a Landau.

G-MANN UK

2013-10-04 19:31

To me, on this site the limousine category should mean either:

a) A "stretched limousine" where an extra section has been added to the middle (this can include European mourners cars)
b) A particularly large or extended luxury car with a partition between passenger and drive eg. Daimler DS420, Cadillac Fleetwood 75 (75 was later swapped for Limousine)

Though there might be a few things that don't quite fall into these groups.

EDIT: Just thought of one; Maybach 62, very long (6.2m), very expensive luxury car but no division between the driver and back seat (not as standard anyway) Half are listed here as sedans, half as limousines.

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Ingo DE

2013-10-04 20:01

G-MANN wrote I would have thought that would count as a limousine (unless it's a taxi)

As written in the German Wiki, this was the origin, classic definition from 100 years ago. But nowadays the definition has changed.
:think: If the separation between driver and passenger shall be the crucial topic, we have to list a plenty of taxis as limousine, but the majority of stretch-limos not. This would be very illogical.

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G-MANN UK

2013-10-04 20:03

Ingo, I just said except taxis :p I don't anyone would think of an FX4 black cab as a limo. And I think all the Lincoln and Cadillac stretch limos have partitions anyway, and they must be the majority of stretch limos.

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Ingo DE

2013-10-04 20:13

Hey, a bit more confusion :p
Two more "Limousines": http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limousine_%28Begriffskl%C3%A4rung%29
- a specific overcoat from carter of the French region Limousin
- a French oak-tree (Quercus robur)

And when you click on the English translation of the Wiki-link above, you will have http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berlina

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G-MANN UK

2013-10-04 20:24

I think it only really gets tricky when you look at pre-1950s Rolls-Royces.

Ingo DE

2013-10-04 20:33

Aha, at Wiktionary there are both: http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/limousine
@G-MANN: the separtion of the driver is not mentioned.
@johnfromStaffs: but the roof over the whole passenger-room, incl.(!) the driver

G-MANN UK

2013-10-04 20:39

Well that page on wiktionary is not gospel.

Ingo DE

2013-10-04 20:41

Is the determination, we are try to unite and establish right here, right now, gospel?

G-MANN UK

2013-10-04 20:46

I meant just because that wiktionary page doesn't mention a partition doesn't mean anything. This is what the Oxford English Dictionary has to say: http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/limousine?q=limousine

But I'm not sure a car absolutely must have a partition to be classed as a limousine.

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johnfromstaffs EN

2013-10-04 21:38

A lot of the body types are now obsolete anyway. Perhaps it's time to simplify things, like saying just Sedan (or Saloon), Sports Car or Convertible, and leaving it at that.

antp BE

2013-10-07 15:04

That's why originally the limousine category was just for stretched limousines, as having all others as sedan wasn't a problem.

Corkeyandpals US

2013-11-03 23:41

Aircraft at: http://impdb.org/index.php?title=Faces_in_the_Dark

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