Author	Message
AleX_DJ ◊ 2020-05-05 20:55	Series origin: East Germany -- Last edit: 2020-05-05 20:56:08
AleX_DJ ◊ 2020-05-05 22:52	For rjluna2: 2.03 (Dresden)
Ingo ◊ 2020-05-06 00:03	AleX_DJ wrote For rjluna2: 2.03 (Dresden) @rjluna2: the traffic signs are illuminated, too
Ingo ◊ 2020-05-06 00:06	how was it with the Ladas in the DDR? Usually named "Lada", rarely "Shiguli" (mainly in official language by authorities, rather not by private persons), never "VAZ". No idea about the models. In West Germany they were named "1200", "1500", "1600" and "Nova", and the Wagons "Combi" - but in the DDR? For sure the name "Nova" wasn't used there. I just checked my GENEX-catalogues: "2105 Limousine" for example, and "2104 Kombi" - but how was it in common parlance? Only @Mystery Man can help - the only IMCDb-ist with DDR-background -- Last edit: 2020-05-06 00:17:59
Weasel1984 ◊ 2020-05-06 00:12	"VAZ 2xxx Zhiguli" was the correct, full name for early ones.
Ingo ◊ 2020-05-06 00:19	Weasel1984 wrote "VAZ 2xxx Zhiguli" was the correct, full name for early ones. Spelled "Shiguli" in the DDR. "VAZ" was never used in common parlance. -- Last edit: 2020-05-06 00:21:09
Weasel1984 ◊ 2020-05-06 00:27	It was once decided that local interpretations of Cyryllic alphabet won't be used. This way we would have the same Soviet/Russian cars listed under many names, dsepite in most cases they all had the same badges.
Ingo ◊ 2020-05-06 07:08	Weasel1984 wrote ...This way we would have the same Soviet/Russian cars listed under many names, dsepite in most cases they all had the same badges. Good point: badges. The "LADA"-badge on the C-pillar of the 2101 range was sometimes in Cyrillic, sometimes in Latin letters - by which systematics?
Dmitry_P ◊ 2020-05-06 08:21	Weasel1984 wrote It was once decided that local interpretations of Cyryllic alphabet won't be used. This way we would have the same Soviet/Russian cars listed under many names, dsepite in most cases they all had the same badges. Despite of that decision this is what actually has been happening to Soviet "Belarus" tractors - same models are arbitrarily listed as MTZ, MTS, Belarus. -- Last edit: 2020-05-06 08:21:50
Mystery Man ◊ 2020-05-06 09:13	Ingo wrote Only @Mystery Man can help - the only IMCDb-ist with DDR-background My mom's parents always named their car 'Schiguli'. The white 1200 (I believe, very basic version IIRC) had a Lada badge and others in Latin letters and was bought new in October 1974... Unfortunately the rest of my older relatives can't remember or rather drove only bikes and Trabant/Wartburg. -- Last edit: 2020-05-15 00:02:24
Weasel1984 ◊ 2020-05-06 13:09	Ingo wrote Good point: badges. The "LADA"-badge on the C-pillar of the 2101 range was sometimes in Cyrillic, sometimes in Latin letters - by which systematics? Early ones had Cyryllic "Zhiguli" badges. In 2101 the badge was changed to Latin "Lada" in 1976 (for most export markets around Eastern Block), but car was known as "Lada" in Eastern Block (minus USSR) already a bit earlier. I saw mid-70s brochures/promos, which named it Lada already. However when it was 1st introduced in early 70s, it was named only 2101 Zhiguli (in various local forms, in Poland it also wasn't "Zhiguli", but "Żiguli" and "WAZ" instead of "VAZ"). Dmitry_P wrote Despite of that decision this is what actually has been happening to Soviet "Belarus" tractors - same models are arbitrarily listed as MTZ, MTS, Belarus. Didn't know they are listed like that. If it is the same case what with Shiguli, then like for me, MTZ and MTS should be definitely changed and listed under one, the same form of name. I don't know these vehicles well. Maybe "Belarus" was indeed used as brand on some export markets (instead of MTZ)? -- Last edit: 2020-05-06 13:13:27
AleX_DJ ◊ 2020-05-06 13:15	Then we should set Lada vehicles as 'made for DDR', right?
Weasel1984 ◊ 2020-05-06 13:17	At the time when they were Lada in DDR, they were Ladas already nearly everywhere.
AleX_DJ ◊ 2020-05-06 13:29	Weasel1984 wrote At the time when they were Lada in DDR, they were Ladas already nearly everywhere. In USSR too?
Weasel1984 ◊ 2020-05-06 13:42	In 1970s except USSR and Sweden. But is it worth to add "made for" tag to all VAZ-made cars seen abroad of the USSR?
AleX_DJ ◊ 2020-05-06 14:02	Weasel1984 wrote In 1970s except USSR and Sweden. But is it worth to add "made for" tag to all VAZ-made cars seen abroad of the USSR? I don't know, I usually set them so... moreover, shouldn't at least the earlier models (2101-2102) be set as origin Italy as being rebadged Fiat 124s?
Dmitry_P ◊ 2020-05-06 14:24	Weasel1984 wrote If it is the same case what with Shiguli... Exactly the same. I raised this question several times and the only person to answer was @mike962 before his ban, explaining that Minski Traktorny Zavod (MTZ) im Deutschen auch als MTS transkribiert (Minski Traktorny Sawod). As for the "Belarus" brand, to my knowledge, it was established since 1953. I can only guarantee that the name was widely used in Transurals, Western Siberia and Northern Kazakhstan since early 70s. The intricate point is that Latin transliteration does not convey the change of meaning in the brand name, which happened in 1993: before 1993 - "Беларусь" (name of the country in Belarusian, official and common Soviet name was Bielorussia), after 1993 - "Беларус" (representative of East Slavic nation). -- Last edit: 2020-05-06 14:27:06
Dmitry_P ◊ 2020-05-06 14:36	AleX_DJ wrote ...shouldn't at least the earlier models (2101-2102) be set as origin Italy as being rebadged Fiat 124s? Discussion here: /vehicle_1102114-Dacia-1300-1975.html
rjluna2 ◊ 2020-05-06 15:23	Ingo wrote @rjluna2: the traffic signs are illuminated, too Yep, probably powered by linear fluorescent lights bulbs
rjluna2 ◊ 2020-05-06 15:37	AleX_DJ wrote For rjluna2: 2.03 (Dresden) Scheduled to post a comment on 2020-10-28.
Weasel1984 ◊ 2020-05-06 16:20	Dmitry_P wrote Minski Traktorny Zavod (MTZ) im Deutschen auch als MTS transkribiert (Minski Traktorny Sawod)... I changed them to MTZ, especially that even before we had some German ones listed as MTZ by "Z": /vehicle_157445-Belarus-MTZ-570.html AleX_DJ wrote I don't know, I usually set them so... moreover, shouldn't at least the earlier models (2101-2102) be set as origin Italy as being rebadged Fiat 124s? Dmitry_P wrote Discussion here: /vehicle_1102114-Dacia-1300-1975.html Yes, so far there is no perfect solution for this. -- Last edit: 2020-05-06 16:23:19
aquila ◊ 2020-05-06 16:48	In China there is a lot of parts localization so Japan or korean cars or German found in China differ from their local cars a lot because over 50% of the car parts are localized replaced with China made parts, different specification too sometimes 70% level of localization or even more sometimes just the body shell is identical and nothing else Related article http://gerpisa.org/system/files/Shioji_Full_paper_2017.05.17.pdf AleX_DJ wrote I don't know, I usually set them so... moreover, shouldn't at least the earlier models (2101-2102) be set as origin Italy as being rebadged Fiat 124s? Dmitry_P wrote Discussion here: /vehicle_1102114-Dacia-1300-1975.html -- Last edit: 2020-05-07 12:42:21
Ingo ◊ 2020-05-06 19:31	AleX_DJ wrote Then we should set Lada vehicles as 'made for DDR', right? As I've heard, there were no special versions for the DDR. The only DDR-unique topic at many COMECON vehicles was, that several versions and extra options were not available there. Mostly they got only basic versions and some models not at all, as for example the Estate versions of Dacia 1300 and 1310. Made for DDR would only be correct for military vehicles, because as @janek wrote recently, every Warsaw Block army had its own colour tone.

	The vehicle is part of the movie
	Vehicle used a lot by a main character or for a long time
	Vehicle used by a character or in a car chase
	Minor action vehicle or used in only a short scene
	Background vehicle
	Unknown vehicle role
	Seen only in preview/trailer
	Seen only in deleted scenes
	Seen only in an alternative ending
	Seen only in an extra DVD contents

Advertising

Last completed movie pages

Geschichten übern Gartenzaun, TV Series, 1982-1985

Where to find this title?

Watch or buy this title - Powered by JustWatch

Comments about this movie

Add a comment

Advertising