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◊ 2019-01-10 23:51 |
As it's been entered as 1962 - presumably because this is a known motor show appearance?? - I'm thinking a late 250 GT Cabriolet S2 Pininfarina with hardtop. As 250 GT Cabriolet finished in 1962, this could be an autumn 1961 show appearance?? |
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◊ 2019-01-10 23:56 |
Yes, 40. IAA Frankfurt 21.9.–1.10.1961![[Image: vlcsnap-2019-01-10-16h36m53s6.jpg]](http://pics.imcdb.org/14694/vlcsnap-2019-01-10-16h36m53s6.jpg) |
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◊ 2019-01-11 00:38 |
I can't trace any mention of a 250 GT Cabriolet with this body being displayed at Frankfurt in 1961, although there were displays at other 1961 shows. Assuming sources such as this are complete, the alternative seems to be 400 Superamerica, with chassis #2331SA and 2407SA described as "400 Cabriolet Pininfarina open headlights with hardtop". As shown on that page 2331SA was shown at Geneva 1961 and looks very similar/identical, but a much paler colour at that point, but became darker blue. Confusingly 2407SA was silver, but is now pale yellow. Nothing found for either car appearing at Frankfurt 1961. So while now thinking 400 Superamerica and maybe chassis 2407SA in its initial silver, I've ground to a halt before the finishing line. |
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◊ 2019-01-11 02:22 |
June 1961 = MY 1962 Ferrari 250 GT Speciale / Berlinetta Esperimentale #2821 is one of 5 250 GT with body similar to 400 Superamerica Aerodinamica and the only one displayed on IAA it is pale blue met featured here https://talacrest.com/Ferrari-Sales/Ferrari-250-GT-Speciale/9082.htm What makes me goosebumps, dear dsl: originally commissioned as a “Cabriolet Specialé,” when the bare chassis arrived at Pinin Farina, the decision was made to create a unique Coupe Specialé that combined the basic elements of the 250 GT Coupe and the recently introduced 400 Superamerica Coupe Aerodinamica, as i can't find a 400 with overriders with rubbers on it! So it was created exactly the way you have described in your first statement! |
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◊ 2019-01-11 02:35 |
250 GT SWB Speciale 250 GT (V12 cyl, 2953 cm³, 280 cv; wb: 2400 mm) - new model Coupé Sperimentale Pininfarina (#2429GT, 2613GT, 2643GT, 2821GT) #2429GT - 250 GT SWB Berlinetta in 400 Aerodinamico style with covered headlights. #2613GT - 250 GT SWB Berlinetta in 400 Aerodinamico style with open headlights. For Prince Bernhard of the Netherlands. #2643GT - 250 GT SWB Berlinetta in 400 Aerodinamico style with covered headlights. Entered in Le Mans by Scuderia Ferrari (#12 Tavano/ Baghetti). #2821GT - 250 GT SWB Berlinetta in 400 Aerodinamico style with open headlights. London show car. (and IAA Frankfurt) |
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◊ 2019-01-11 03:05 |
Not quite convinced by 2821GT - it has the fogs behind the grille and a smooth curving bumper without any kinks in the Talacrest photos, including the last few which look old pictures. However it does give a better match for the rear pillars, so I think we're now looking for an Aerodinamico coupe, not a spider with hardtop. Both the 400 Spiders here - 2331SA and unidentified-but-may-be- 2407SA - have them. So I don't think we've got it yet ..... I'm going to see if anything comes up from open headlight 400 SA coupes. |
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◊ 2019-01-11 03:15 |
The edge above the grille of our mystery car forms a horizontal line, with the headlights staying above it. Which isn't the case of both 2821GT and 2613GT. Even though it seems less pronounced on 2613GT. Link to "www.lamborghini-register.nl" |
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◊ 2019-01-11 03:40 |
Looking at 400 "Coupé Aerodinamico Pininfarina open headlights (#2631SA, 2841SA, 2893SA, 3097SA)" from here again - 2631SA and 2893SA were built Nov 61 so too late, 2841SA (grey) might work - built April 61 and was shown at Paris show, horizontal top edge to grille, although does not now have over-riders. 3097SA was built during 1961 (possibly as Enzos's personal car?) then renumbered as 4031SA (green), horizontal top edge to grille, but again no over-riders now. Again no mention of Frankfurt 1961 for any of these four. But 2841SA looks possible, and if 3097SA/4031SA was the boss's car, it might have been convenient to use it as a show car. |
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◊ 2019-01-11 17:21 |
Are we even sure this footage is from the IAA ? |
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◊ 2019-01-11 18:45 |
No we are not, they might have put in some bits of other 1961 shows, i have to check the video again. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nD0_2OZPsd0 here original docu of german TV than. |
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◊ 2019-01-11 21:33 |
![[Image: ferrarimistery.jpg]](http://pics.imcdb.org/14694/ferrarimistery.jpg) it seems to be original footage of IAA not further edited Link to "mediathek.daserste.de" 01:19:55 shows rear end presumably like Aerodinamico |
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◊ 2019-01-11 22:03 |
Cool ! It's not geo-blocked, and subtitiles are available !  Edit : maybe not worth the fuss after all. https://driventowrite.com/2019/01/21/film-review-the-borgward-affair/ -- Last edit: 2019-01-23 13:55:34 |
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◊ 2019-01-11 23:27 |
Interesting 1961 IAA Frankfurt film - despite being in foreign - with lots of new debuts and mechanical stuff of the time. But no Ferraris, probably because they were not unveiling anything new. One 1961 IAA Frankfurt Ferrari picture found ![[Image: ferrari250gtfrankfurt1961.jpg]](http://pics.imcdb.org/10314/ferrari250gtfrankfurt1961.jpg) with 250 GT caption, and being the auto-motor-und-sport website should be reliable. But is it our car?? Seems to have a curving top edge for grille and no bumper kink (or is the bumper kink in main just a reflection??). However the black/dark thing behind it (looks a bit like a DB6 cabin, but a few years too early) seems the same. So after going round the houses a few times since we started this one, seems a 250 GT Aerodinamico. But still no real idea which one. |
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◊ 2019-01-13 17:07 |
at least the car in AMS fits perfectly by horizontal line with headlights above which was demanded by Exiv96. Maybe exhibitor is not Ferrari, but Pinin Farina... |
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◊ 2019-11-26 16:13 |
Most of the 400 Superamericas had either a small intrument pod holding two large gauges, or two separate pods for the same instruments. 2841SA, which is the best alternative for Frankfurt having been completed on 8/61, has a special dashboard with a very large instrument cluster with all the gauges collected together. Looking closely at the photos this is exactly what I see: a wide flat dash top, rather than a small pod or two separate bumps. Therefore I am convinced the Franfurt car is 400 SA 2841SA. |
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◊ 2019-11-26 16:24 |
Hurrah! We got there! |
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◊ 2019-11-26 17:00 |
Here is a photo of 2841SA as a new car.![[Image: 2841-1961-factory1.jpg]](http://pics.imcdb.org/4728/2841-1961-factory1.jpg) |
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◊ 2020-09-07 00:51 |
Thank you, chammo! Really hard to find, the exiting lines become clearer now! |
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◊ 2020-09-07 09:43 |
Confirmation, picture taken from "Le Fuoriserie", Vol. 3, p. 93:![[Image: ferrari-400.jpg]](http://pics.imcdb.org/3890/ferrari-400.jpg) Text says: The "Supermecanica" exhibited in Frankfurt: it was built to order of an Austrian personality. -- Last edit: 2020-09-07 09:47:54 |
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