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1933 Rosengart Supertraction LR 500 Cabriolet [LR500]

1933 Rosengart Supertraction [LR500] in Quai des Orfèvres, Movie, 1947 IMDB

Class: Cars, Convertible — Model origin: FR

1933 Rosengart Supertraction LR 500 Cabriolet [LR500]

Pos: 00:20:04 [*][*][*] Vehicle used by a character or in a car chase

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DynaMike NL

2007-10-23 14:22

Circa 1933 Renault. I'll never get to know the differences between al their model names :/

Raul1983 FI

2007-10-23 14:26

Never would have guessed it's a Renault. Bodywork looks German (Wanderer etc.)

chris40 UK

2007-10-23 15:52

Primaquatre?

http://www.renaultoloog.nl/renaultoloog.htm

This site is sometimes helpful ... :D

chief tin cloud CH

2007-10-23 19:34

My guess is Primaquatre, too. Small Monaquatre has loures instead of vent doors as on this pic.

DynaMike NL

2007-10-23 20:02

Mais les Primaquatre n'avaient que trois volets dans le capot...

pilou BE

2007-10-29 11:59

This is not a Renault .It is a German 1933 Adler Trumpf 1.5 litre cabrio

DynaMike NL

2007-10-29 12:40

My mistake... because of the missing eagle (= Adler) on the grille, and I was just looking for a French car... Adler, indeed, but I think the Trumpf had a 1700 engine (Trumpf 1700 AV).

chris40 UK

2007-10-29 15:57

Fair enough, but it's a lot like a Primaquatre: grille, wheels, hubcaps. I bet someone took the Adler off the grille for patriotic reasons ... :/

pilou BE

2007-11-03 12:51

I have done a further search on this one because it remained puzzling to me .When taking a close look at the headlights with the small wings on top of them , at the hood wing ,front bumper and hubcaps I go for the almost identical Rosengart Supertraction Cabriolet LR 500 of 1933 built under Adler license and based on the Adler sv 1.6 litre Trumf rather than the original Adler.The Rosengart script is missing as would have been the eagle commented by chris 40 but then not for patriotic reasons. .These cars are difficult to distinguish .Another almost identical Adler-license built version was the Belgian Imperia TA , but Imperias had classical hood louvres rather than ventilation doors seen here.In the context of 1947 France a Rosengart would be more likely.

Raul1983 FI

2007-11-03 13:24

Thanks for the interesting info Pilou! We live and learn ;)

Alexander DE

2007-11-03 15:07

Pilou, you are absolutely right that it is a Rosengart. :king:
The Adler and Imperia versions had different logos at the top of the grille, which would be visible.

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Adler

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Impéria T.A.7

From the images I found only the 1933 Rosengart had the ventilation doors. Later models used louvres.
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The front bumper didn't match those I found. Also the three windscreen wipers are unusual. Perhaps the middle one was added at a later time.


http://www.rosengart-automobile.de/register.htm
http://www.club-rosengart-france.fr/menu.htm
http://home.hetnet.nl/~ekeren.ton/rosengart/index.HTML

Yvon52 BE

2007-11-03 15:07

Pilou, d'accord pour la Rosengart, mais pourquoi a-t-elle le capot et les ailes avnt d'une Rosengart 505 de 1933 ???

Voir
http://www.rosengart-museum.de/galerie3.htm

On se trouve devant un modèle très rare



-- Last edit: 2007-11-03 15:20:16

Yvon52 BE

2007-11-05 01:33

Yvon52 wrote Pilou, d'accord pour la Rosengart, mais pourquoi a-t-elle le capot et les ailes avnt d'une Rosengart 505 de 1933 ???

Voir
http://www.rosengart-museum.de/galerie3.htm

On se trouve devant un modèle très rare




Caisse de l'Adler, carrosserie Ambi-Budd, mais capot avec volets spécifiques des Rosengarts 9 CV de 1933
Concernant la nomenclature: LR 500 = cabriolet & LR 505 = berline

Yvon52 BE

2007-11-05 01:40

et neuve et valait 29.000 F, soit bien plus cher qu'une Citroën 11 CV coupé decapotable!!!!

Alessandro58 CH

2011-03-03 10:48

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DidierF FR

2015-02-17 15:22

Curieuses, nos hésitations sur la voiture : elle est nommée dans le film !

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