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1976 Renault Siete TL [R1283] Class: Cars, Sedan — Model origin: 
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◊ 2007-12-18 11:46 |
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◊ 2007-12-18 18:37 |
yes,  it the siete |
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◊ 2007-12-18 20:32 |
Do you really like the Siete??  ... I understand the interest for its rariness, but not for the looking ... this transformation made the nice Renault 5, spoiled by a very poor designed trunk, as a very common sedan ...poor R5  |
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◊ 2007-12-18 20:38 |
I know its not a beauty mainly, but as i explained before i liked it so much and appreciate it so much because there was one in my family, but anyway i dont think it ruined the R5, i still like this one too. |
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◊ 2007-12-21 19:17 |
It does , as most of the sedan made on basis of a genuine and original hatchback car : see the sedan versions of the Ford Sierra, Renault 19 Prima, the Opel Astra (horrible) etc... the Siete is a complete disaster for the design I find the similar problem with alternative transformation of a genuine Sedans to a hatchback models, it's often not very felicitous (the Renault 21 for instance) well that is really subjective, of course , and as I often say "The bad taste and the colours ..??? .. can't be debated"  |
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◊ 2007-12-21 19:24 |
Indeed they cant, because for me none of those sedans you mention up there are horrible to me  |
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◊ 2007-12-21 19:52 |
Ford Sierra Sapphire actually looked just as good, if not better, than the 5-door, with the Astra sedan being rather ungainly in case of the A, just as boring as the hatch in case of the B and rather nice in case of the C. Renault 19 was nothing to write home about in hatchback form, so I guess the Chamade isn't much worse. The Siete IS a disaster, though. |
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◊ 2007-12-21 20:00 |
Yeah...thank's to correct me, I was actually thinking of the Chamade when I talked about Prima .. ( Prima was a special trim level of the hatchback 19 in 1991... I should no it , as it was my "function car" for work at this time  ) -- Last edit: 2007-12-21 20:01:20 |
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◊ 2007-12-21 20:08 |
Small and medium-size-cars with hatchback are in my opinion "Post-GDR"-cars, I call it "Wartburg-Syndrom", too. It's the truth, that this kind of cars, like Renault Chamade, Opel Corsa and Astra Hatchback, Ford Orion, VW Polo Classic, Kia Sephia and so on were often sold in Eastern Germany -as new cars- after the German unification. Especially older East Germans liked them. About that phenomen there were some discussions over here. You must know, that in Western Germany small and middle-size Hatchbacks are very unpopular. Selling them in used condition is quite hard. Even when a hatchback-version is bigger, better equipped, in better condition and much cheaper, the Germans are buying the fastback-version. The VW Golf was since 1974 in most years the best sold car over here - Jetta, Vento and Bora were always unpopular. I've seen more Ventos on the roads in Ireland, Poland and Sweden than in Germany. VW has only produced them for the export. |
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◊ 2007-12-21 21:37 |
I like the R21, in both sedan & hatchback. I do not see the hatchback looking strange. |
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◊ 2007-12-21 23:00 |
I don't see the sedan or hatchback 21 looking any "stranger", but I don't see any of them looking good. Definitely the low point for Renault, just like the BX for Citroen. PS. Chamade was used as a designation of the sedan for some time, and trim level for other, in various markets, so I wasn't trying to correct you. I just used the name I was familiar with. The "Renault Chamade" radio commercial used to be on the radio on and on in its own time in Poland, so this cluster is engraved in my memory forever. |
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◊ 2007-12-21 23:42 |
Low point? I found that it looks quite good. The BX too. For me the "low point" for Citroën in terms of design is the restyled Xsara & the first C5. But these two cars (R21 & BX) have probably a design of their era, which looks outdated now. They sold well and were quite reliable, so lots were seen and are still seen. I doubt that Renault or Citroën consider these car as a low point, as these are some of their best sales. -- Last edit: 2007-12-21 23:49:02 |
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◊ 2007-12-21 23:56 |
The BX reliable? Owners I know are of quite the opposite opinion, and I can't remember when was the last time I saw one... Perhaps Belgium got different BXes... |
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◊ 2007-12-22 00:13 |
Or perhaps they were better serviced in Belgium/France. It has a reputation of a quite reliable car with high mileage. |
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◊ 2007-12-22 00:29 |
Indeed in the last years BXes dissapeared from our streets completely. Simply 20 years old 'hydropneumatic' Citroen is not a vehicle for everyone. The construction is complicated, service not easy and parts probably not especially cheap(?), so if someone want just a car for everyday use he will choose same period's Toyota. But don't forget that in its time the BX was one of the most common French car - also here. The design wasn't excellent if we compare it to CX or GS though for sure more interesting and 'Citroenish' than in Xantia. About the R21 - it is not a beauty, but like for the 1980's car is not so bad, I really like the Turbo. -- Last edit: 2007-12-22 03:02:00 |
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◊ 2007-12-22 00:42 |
I have to admit that the BX wasn't Citroëns best car, esthetically speaking. But when well serviced it is very reliable indeed. And almost every day I can experience and enjoy the incredible comfort of the hydropneumatic suspension. Great car, comfort of a really upmarket limo and still sober (ours uses circa 6.5 litres per 100 kms, even though the car is 16 years old and has had 300.000 kms...) |
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◊ 2007-12-22 00:48 |
As "Citroenish" as my booty - it started life as a Volvo concept based on a Reliant design for Anadol! It was a 1980s car, it could have been anything! The Xantia was very distinctive however, I remember it was praised as the return of Citroen's individuality (after the rather anodyne ZX). Also, the BX's suspension problems are probably secondary to engine and electrics failures and, most importantly, extreme proneness to rust through on your very eyes (I haven't heard any of the owners I know complaining about suspension issues, but many couldn't start the car). To be honest, to me the 21 is probably the very worst of European 1980s cars (OK, there's the AX). The Sierra was actually handsome, the Ascona was bearable, the Vectra was neat (I love you, Wayne Cherry), the 405 was a looker. |
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◊ 2007-12-22 00:54 |
A 1980s Toyota is just as rare as a BX to me... |
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◊ 2007-12-22 00:55 |
Difference is that Toyotas were sent to Africa, BX were sent to junkyard (in France these are now very common in junkyards, due to the very high number produced and their current age - which is probably normal after 20 years). About the R21, strange, here it was known as a very reliable car. In France & Belgium one of the advantages of French cars is the price of parts. I guess that this advantage disappear in Poland... -- Last edit: 2007-12-22 00:57:14 |
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◊ 2007-12-22 01:01 |
I haven't heard anything about the 21 being peculiarly unreliable. I have seen, though, it being pretty rather ungainly. And I must say there are still examples to be seen on Polish roads, unlike the BXes. Another French automobile with high "survivability rate" is the XM, the vehicle of choice in Polish countryside for some reason (bad roads perhaps, Citroen advertises with "You'll get to like every road" in Poland) |
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◊ 2007-12-22 01:06 |
Xantia was a return to individuality?  They said exactly the same when C5 was introduced - so what return after return? What was wrong with AX? In my family were 2 and there weren't any problems with them. I won't comment this Sierra especially in beauty sedan body because we could talk like that for hours. -- Last edit: 2007-12-22 02:24:57 |
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◊ 2007-12-22 01:27 |
hmmm that may explain why the XM and especially the Xantia are quite common in Belgium... (difficult to compare roads, each people say that their own roads are the worse... but I saw more bad roads in Brussels than in Cameroon or Kosovo when I went there )For sure our highways are bad. At least there are lights on them, so you see the holes in the road to avoid them. |
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◊ 2007-12-22 01:33 |
I haven't heard much of a "return", but I've read of it being the next step of evolution of typical Citroen traits, including unusual styling, high level of comfort and innovatove features. The biggest problem with the AX does not prevent you from problem-free operation of the vehicle - it is just strikingly ugly and appears to be a natural-size cardboard cut-out car (like many 1980s cars, but this one takes it to the extreme). |
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◊ 2007-12-22 14:46 |
For me the BX is one of the car with the ugliest desgin in history. The father of a colleague, who droves a BX, told me "I'm driving Citroen, because the only chnce to get a used Citroen sold, is the Citroen-dealer, when I buy a new one." A former school-mate of me is now a sales-manager at a Opel-dealer. He told me, even some years ago, "When there is a customer, who wants to give a BX as trade-in-car, I tell him: I give you the discount for the trade-in, but please sell your BX yourself." Otherwise: my wife's uncle drives a brand new C 5. He told me: "I'm driving Citroen, because they are so reliable. Since 1974 I only had Citroen and never a breakdown or other problems with the cars." Usually you hear that only from Mercedes Diesel- or Toyota- owners. |
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