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G-MANN ◊ 2007-12-29 12:46	I remember this scene where Clarkson lays into this old American barge, as he drives down the road he gently swerves side to side and the body wallows and bounces all over the place, "If you've ever shared a water bed with a baboon that's been bathed in itching powder, then you'll have an idea of what this car is like". -- Last edit: 2008-09-25 00:26:36
LH2 ◊ 2007-12-31 15:00	-- Last edit: 2012-10-02 17:13:18
taxiguy ◊ 2009-01-15 19:22	Link to "www.youtube.com" Jeremy Clarkson is such an idiot. Not only are his opinions bullshit, but he got all his facts wrong too. For one thing this isn't even a car from the 70s...
taxiguy ◊ 2009-01-16 20:36	This is a 1985 model by the way. I thought the year was on there already but for some reason it's gone now...
taxiguy ◊ 2009-11-09 21:18	Exactly, he is ok for entertainment but his "opinions" and "reviews" have no credibility at all. And yes, clearly this car is not in the best condition and the suspension is very much worn out. Even so, if he actually drove it like a normal person instead of sharply and quickly turning the wheel from side to side it would not have looked like that. This design doesn't have the tighest suspension around but what he did with this one is clearly an exaggeration. I have a theory that inside Jeremy Clarkson doesn't actually dislike all the cars he says he does. He probably doesn't paticularly like them either, but I'm pretty sure he exaggerates his opinions about cars so he gets good ratings for being outspoken and controversial. I don't think he is really as polarizing as he tries to make himself look. -- Last edit: 2009-11-09 21:22:22
taxiguy ◊ 2009-11-09 22:22	No, they did 'cash for clunkers' for a couple of weeks and had to stop it because there wasn't enough money for the program.
tonkatracker ◊ 2009-11-09 22:30	taxiguy wrote No, they did 'cash for clunkers' for a couple of weeks and had to stop it because there wasn't enough money for the program. that still pisses me off $3 billion dollars in tax money spent in less than 2 months, and destroyed a lot of good cars
Commander 57 ◊ 2009-11-09 22:38	No to mention the loss of parts for future restorations. Terrible, wasteful program. At the very least, the cars that were turned in should have been donated to those who cold not afford to buy a car instead of being wastefully, needlessly and senselessly destroyed. -- Last edit: 2009-11-09 22:38:49
tonkatracker ◊ 2009-11-09 22:52	When the C.A.R.S. program was still going on I saw a local Honda dealership destroy a very clean 1991+ Oldsmobile Custom Cruiser. here are some videos of the "Clunkers" 99 Grand Marquis and 95 Town Car: Link to "www.youtube.com" 94 caprice wagon with 68K miles: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzz4DjUnPJk another caprice wagon: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdeEfcgohH0&NR=1 Corvette: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTYL-h5_hb4 there are plenty more of these sad videos just search "cash for clunkers" on youtube -- Last edit: 2009-11-09 23:10:08
chris40 ◊ 2009-11-09 22:57	I agree with much of the above, being possibly in the market for a cheap but reliable old shed (too many of which have fallen victim to the scrappage scheme) myself. I have to take issue with Commander 57's last suggestion, though; a good many of the possible recipients wouldn't trouble to tax or insure them, thus penalising (amongst others) law-abiding motorists ... and we've got far too many drivers like that already. btw a horrible example I heard of recently: an immaculate 1953 Triumph Mayflower - one of the rarest cars of its era - was scrapped; the former owner traded it for a MINI. -- Last edit: 2009-11-09 22:59:58
Commander 57 ◊ 2009-11-09 23:02	You cannot register a car/get a plate until you show insurance, at least in this state. Tax bills are sent to the registered owner and followed up on if not paid. I would not worry too much about fraud.
twingoman ◊ 2009-11-10 00:02	I'd heard about the Mayflower being scrapped. There's been quite a few classic sent to the scrapper with this scheme. People trading in classic old Mercedes and Porsches for Hyundai I10's A piece here about some of the cars that have been scrapped. -- Last edit: 2009-11-10 00:03:02
Ingo ◊ 2009-11-10 10:44	Sorry for quoting myself, but we have the same discussion in Germany about our Abwrackprämie, how many classic cars were destroyed. At least there were much less classics destroyed as it was feared. But there is the problem, that the official statistics about it, is absolute bullshit. ingo wrote Today I got the new "Oldtimer Markt" with a statistic about the classic cars and youngtimers, which were listed at victims of the Abwrackprämie. It's the official statistic of the responsible German ministery about the first 850 000 carsof total 2 mio wrecked cars, vans and campers - and it's impressively much bullshit written. These informations cannot be correct for sure: - 10x BMW M1: bullshit for sure - 35x BMW 501: same, look at the value and rarity of them. - 58x different NSU: perhaps a few single Prinz 4 or 1200, maybe one RO 80, but not as much - 7x Mercedes 170: probably mixed up with the A 170 - 5x Citroen SM: probably mixed up with the XM - 35x Peugeot 204: I think, there aren't existing that much any more in Germany at all - 29x Audi quattro: for sure no "Ur-Quattro" - 106x Renault 6: from this car are less than 5 registrated in Germany even some years ago - 234x BMW 3.0: perhaps some single wrecks, but not as many like 234 of them - 7x BMW 700: a rare car from the early 60ies, rather mixed up with some 7-Series Even about the 7 wrecked K 70 we aren't sure. The Volvo-freaks have also doubts about the 5 listed PV 544 and the Renault-fans about 12x R 16. But only 17x Renault 4 and 31 VW Golf I, this cannot be correct either. 7x Saab 90 and 181x Saab 9000 could be possible, also 10x Jaguar XJ, 5x Alfa Spider 1.6, 47x Alfa 146, 691x Trabant 601, 136 Trabant 1.1, 9x Rover MGF and 5x Audi 50 - but 5x Audi S6, 11x Audi V8 and 29 A8? IMHO it's more bullshit included this statistics than correct informations. -- Last edit: 2009-11-10 10:44:27
Ingo ◊ 2009-11-10 10:52	Youtubes: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9sZ4GF9_oM http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FjJ5riKnBo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uT6edgqQvqQ -- Last edit: 2009-11-10 10:57:07
Serbian ◊ 2009-11-10 12:03	I think that destroying classic cars is truely a waste. In my country, you can register your car as an "oldtimer" (it doesn't cost too much), and still drive it no matter of Euro 3, Euro 4 standards etc. I've seen some beatiful, genuine classics (from 50s, 60s and 70s) back here on the streets, mostly all registered as oldtimers. P.S. Call this completely off-topic, but I've sent a nice new contribution on e-mail (JSO bez maske, 2004), just to notify the administrators -- Last edit: 2009-11-22 12:54:23
Ingo ◊ 2009-11-10 14:31	Yes, it is possible in many countries, in Germany, too. It's for cars older than 30 years. Then you have less tax, less insurance and no problems either with the "Euro 1-4" emission-standard. Only Germany and no Spain, too, has so idiotic rules, that you'll loose the old license-plate, if you get an oldtimer-registration. Back to the Abwrackprämie-scrapping bonus: it was meant for all cars, older than 9 years before the 14th January 2009, so for classic, older than 30 years, too. But as is seems, not very oldtimers were crushed for that over here. But for sure, there are several old cars, which value is less than the 2500 €-wrecking bonus, the government has paid. And you have to think about, that for example Volkswagen has added an own bonus of 2500 € on it, so if you have bought a new VW, it could have been worth to wreck a car in the value up to 5000 €. Now the German market is close to the collapse, less than 50% of new small cars were sold now, after the Abwrackprämie was dropped out. And it hadn't helped, as it was thought. It was meant as a push up for the German car-industry - but the only German winners were the VW Polo and the Opel Corsa. The other well sold small cars were assembled abroad. Mercedes Benz, BMW, Porsche and Audi had no profit of it, except selling a handfull of BMW 1-series and Audi A3. For one single Porsche Cayenne a buyer gave a car for wrecking for example. Due the Abwrackprämie the views in German streets are getting worse. The most new cars, sold due it, were ugly, shitty little import-cars, made by Kia, Hyundai, Lada, Fiat, etc. I'm not sure, if the buyers have thought about, how to get rid of them, when these cars are getting old. The prices (which are lower as for German cars anyways) will collapsing. And the cars will stand around in masses, not even the Lebanese export-mafia will be interested in them for shipping them to Africa. But this is not my problem, I don't own such a car.
antp ◊ 2009-11-10 17:40	Serbian wrote P.S. Call this completely off-topic, but I've sent a nice new contribution on e-mail (JSO bez maske, 2005), just to notify the administrators Forum is better for that
Commander 57 ◊ 2009-11-10 21:18	Even unrestorable cars should be harvested for their useable parts, not crushed.
Ingo ◊ 2009-11-11 09:44	@leoz: just a link for a page, made of a friend of mine. On his link-page you can find more site with US-junkyards. http://www.icmesa.com/tinhunter/ I had the luck to visit the georgious Belgian scrapyard in 1999, shortly before it was completely cleared off due problems with the local adminsitration because of environment... It was fantastic. I'm still busy to push "tinhunter" Martin to make a CD with the digitalized photos of that place, but until now he hadn't the time for it (he made over 3000 pics there). @Antoine: but in the forum there aren't so many IMCDB's active as here. -- Last edit: 2009-11-11 09:44:32
chris40 ◊ 2009-11-13 22:30	In case you ever revisit your gallery, leoz, your Wolseley's a Daimler ... but I can't see enough to say what model
chris40 ◊ 2009-11-14 16:45	leoz wrote Wonder what the brown early-fifties car is near the tree... (In the pic 'Rusty Pile of Cars') I think it's a 1954 American Ford, but which model I've no idea.
Commander 57 ◊ 2009-11-14 23:17	Yes, it is a '54. Sad. Photos like that make me think of cemeteries. -- Last edit: 2009-11-14 23:19:21
taxiguy ◊ 2009-11-15 05:27	FYI... one of your photos in that collection is listed as a Chevy but it is actually a Plymouth Relaint K (the station wagon sitting on top of a pile)
Ingo ◊ 2009-11-15 16:39	The car "no window, no front" is a Mercedes W110, behind it is a pre-1969 VW 1600 TL.
Ingo ◊ 2010-01-16 17:40	Why you don't ignore the whole Top Gear-shit? You will not miss anything, except to be annoyed. The show and Clarkson are unimportant and not authoritative. For noone and for nothing. -- Last edit: 2010-01-16 17:41:59
Ingo ◊ 2010-01-17 15:43	Why are you doing this? To watch TV to getting angry? This is your fault. Ignore the most other shit there, too and everything is fine. For me watching TV is mainly a waste of time. I have enough other things to do. So just very rarely I'm watching TV, only a very few movies, which I've seen many times before, only reportages about history, travelling or politics. And this is fine and makes yo felling fine. Just try it by yourself. When I'll watching exceptional some TV, I'll feel the impression of IMCDB. So last week I saw a German made movie - and I could say, when I saw a hearse "Hey, this Volvo looks like a Nilsson!" Getting smart with IMCDB
Nightrider ◊ 2011-05-25 09:40	Mudflap wrote What does he have against American cars? I have strong impression that he have "something" against 90% of cars.
Ingo ◊ 2011-05-25 21:25	Who cares?
Nightrider ◊ 2011-05-25 21:38	We can't kill him without a serious reasons...
chicomarx ◊ 2011-05-25 21:39	Clarkson exalts German engineering all the time on Top Gear, ingo. You can't really form an opinion if you never watch it.
G-MANN ◊ 2011-05-25 22:55	Also Ingo, how can you be that irritated by a program that's probably not shown very much in your country (if at all)? In Britain, Top Gear has 2 series a year and repeats are shown on the digital channel Dave all the time (at one point even I got tired of Top Gear). So I could understand a British person being fed up with Top Gear and its presenters (Clarkson writes for two national papers, Hammond and May present various other programs) but it's bit funny for someone who lives in a totally different country, whose only exposure to it comes from this site. -- Last edit: 2011-05-25 23:07:40
G-MANN ◊ 2011-05-25 23:06	ingo wrote For me watching TV is mainly a waste of time. I have enough other things to do. Like going on this site and rambling on about things? (mind you, I used to do this in the past)
G-MANN ◊ 2011-05-25 23:23	Mudflap wrote What does he have against American cars? Although this is not what I think, I can sort of see the argument against cars like this - oversized, wallowy boat-like handling, very thirsty, ugly styling (to some people). But then some people like "larger than life" American cars. You have to see this from a British/European perspective, our cars aren't like this (this probably wouldn't fit in a parking space over here) -- Last edit: 2011-05-25 23:24:08
Ingo ◊ 2011-05-25 23:23	@G-Mann: it's aired in Germany, too, by the same TV-station as /movie.php?id=1056152 , with German dubbing. And if your satellite-bowl is adjusted, you also can watch the British original. My opinion has nothing to do with the nationality of the makers of TG, neither from which countries the viewers are. My one and only point is, that it's absolutely f.cking unimportant, what these irrelevant blokes are saying about cars. Why shall anyone anywhere on the world notice this? For what? For getting informations and an opinion about any specific car-model or the history of a brand and so, I read serious specialist magazines, listen to the experiences of the aware specalists and, last but not least, my own experiences - but not that shit. Maybe annother aspect is my general reluctance of people, who are too focussed on the TV and get all their opinions, knowledge and even experiences only from there - especially, when they are identifying theirselves with some TV-stuff. When they are talking seriously about the characters or the plot, as they would talk about friends or any other experiences of the real life. In that case I've no restraints to say some really harsh and rude words to them. Because it's so poor, annoying and a real reason for condemning them.
Nightrider ◊ 2011-05-25 23:31	G-MANN wrote wallowy boat-like handling, very thirsty, ugly styling (to some people). Well, nobody said that luxury car must handle like supercar. As for second point: how thirsty was some 80s Rolls-Royce with 6.75 liters under hood? And...ugly styling to some people. I found 99.9% of mosern cars very ugly, so what? But if I was writing for natonal papers and screaming about my opinions from TV...
Ingo ◊ 2011-05-25 23:31	G-MANN wrote Like going on this site and rambling on about things? (mind you, I used to do this in the past) Yes, sure. I'm spending a multiple of time here than in front of the TV. And I'm reading a lot, too. Plus my K 70-contacts around the world, mostly via Internet. My TV-habits haven't changed since the 80ies, where we only had 5 programmes (3 West German and 2 from the DDR). I'm looking into the TV-magazine (my wife has subscribed it, she watches more TV), if something interesting is running (for me: documentations about history, travelling or politics, plus the umpteen reruns of movies, I've seen many times before. That's it). Only if I've found something, I switch on the TV. But sometimes I forget that.
G-MANN ◊ 2011-05-25 23:33	ingo wrote My opinion has nothing to do with the nationality of the makers of TG, neither from which countries the viewers are. My one and only point is, that it's absolutely f.cking unimportant, what these irrelevant blokes are saying about cars. Well, yes, at the end of the day, an opinion is an opinion. But for some reason you seem a bit annoyed by them. Do you feel they are influencing other people too much? I think the truth is the only people who take what they say as gospel are kids. Clarkson has said that the car-buying public have never paid much attention to what he's said.
Nightrider ◊ 2011-05-25 23:38	G-MANN wrote I think the truth is the only people who take what they say as gospel are kids. Don't you think that there is to much of that kids? I am.
Ingo ◊ 2011-05-25 23:43	chicomarx wrote You can't really form an opinion if you never watch it. It's my preposession TG belongs to the TV-shows or movies, which I dislike just because of the structure the audience, resp. the biggest fans (their intelligence, their life-experience, their social standards, etc.). Same with Cobra 11 for example, or this "Fast and..."-shit. Same with the stuff, the people are reading. In newsagencies I look to the magazines, the others are buying. By that I'm labelling them. In the past, when I had been a single, saw a cute girl and thought about a flirt, it indeed depended, what magazines or books I've seen there, for example on their towel at the beach or the public pool -- Last edit: 2011-05-25 23:59:25
Ingo ◊ 2011-05-25 23:46	G-MANN wrote But for some reason you seem a bit annoyed by them. Not at first by them. More by the audience, for which TG is something important and serious.
Sandie ◊ 2011-05-25 23:48	As I've said before. I watch Top Gear. I don't care about their opinions on cars and don't let them influence my thinking and preferences on what cars I like and own. Aside from children the only person who ever seemed to do this was Alan Partridge 'Not my words, Lynne but the words of Top Gear magazine...'. It's entertainment and the chance to see lots of cars driven on TV with some quite interesting adventures. The story where they drove the three sportscars (Elan, TVR 290S and something else I cannot recall) was excellent as was the time they drove the 4x4s in South America and of course the time they drove a Hilux to the North Pole was both entertaining and informative. Okay, some of the humour is puerile and some of the things they do utterly stupid (building a rocket out of a Reliant Robin I mean FFS...) but it is stupid entertainment which satisfies many viewers, most of whom hold no interest in cars. If you want to know what new car you should buy you read a dry car magazine like Whatcar and spend an hour scanning fuel economy and emissions figures. If you want entertainment (with very little serious info on new cars that you might buy) and to be reminded of the joy of driving you watch Top Gear. -- Last edit: 2011-05-25 23:49:46
Nightrider ◊ 2011-05-25 23:53	Sandie wrote it is stupid entertainment which satisfies many viewers, most of whom hold no interest in cars. Actually that is it, what we talking about. Keyword is "stupid" of course.
Ingo ◊ 2011-05-26 00:08	Sandie wrote and the chance to see lots of cars driven on TV with some quite interesting adventures. You've hit the nail on the head. Why the f.ck watching cars on TV? Why not watch -or even drive- them in the real life? My tip: car-shows, fan-meetings - OWN contacts with REAL people with REAL knowledge about the specific cars. And how poor and sad it is, to watch interesting adventures on TV? Experience them by yourself! This is the point. Exactly this
G-MANN ◊ 2011-05-26 00:12	Nightrider wrote Well, nobody said that luxury car must handle like supercar. Sorry but that's not really a valid argument. Just because a car is not built for performance doesn't mean it shouldn't have reasonable handling. But OK, this car was built for America, Clarkson is only looking at it from an outsider's point of view. Nightrider wrote As for second point: how thirsty was some 80s Rolls-Royce with 6.75 liters under hood? Rolls-Royces are not mass-market cars. They are made for rich people. Nightrider wrote But if I was writing for natonal papers and screaming about my opinions from TV... What are you really trying to say here? That Clarkson should not be allowed to do this? Well, he did have to do some work to get to where he is, and he has been on TV for 20 years. If a person becomes a journalist or presenter and manages to become popular or catch the eye of certain people, their career will progress until they are on a national level. That's just the way it works. Even if many people dislike and disagree with people like Glenn Beck, Bill O'Reilly, Richard Littlejohn or Piers Morgan, they have still managed to achieve a certain level of popularity or fame that got them to where they are. -- Last edit: 2011-05-26 00:13:54
G-MANN ◊ 2011-05-26 00:21	ingo wrote And how poor and sad it is, to watch interesting adventures on TV? Experience them by yourself! Well, it isn't easy for the average person to get to drive expensive luxury or sports cars. Especially when you're too young to drive, like I was once. So watching shows like Top Gear is a just way for someone to see what these cars are like in action. Yes, you can see great cars in the flesh at car shows but usually they're just standing still. -- Last edit: 2011-05-26 01:00:16
G-MANN ◊ 2011-05-26 00:24	ingo wrote More by the audience, for which TG is something important and serious. So, where are these all people who piss you off? I haven't noticed you arguing with Top Gear fans on this site, apart from myself and a few other regulars (but we've always have civilised debates)
G-MANN ◊ 2011-05-26 00:31	ingo wrote It's my preposession TG belongs to the TV-shows or movies, which I dislike just because of the structure the audience, resp. the biggest fans (their intelligence, their life-experience, their social standards, etc.). Same with Cobra 11 for example, or this "Fast and..."-shit. So are you saying if someone enjoys these things, they clearly don't know very much about cars and aren't worth your time? That is a bit pompous to be honest. I understand people may think if someone really likes something they hate (like certain kinds of music or sports or TV programs) then they may not have much in common but I think you're taking this a bit too far. Many people have friends who like some things that they don't. Although I don't enjoy watching sports I don't think everyone who does is an idiot. Also on the subject of girls, many girls like things that men don't - shoes, clothes, women's magazines, programs like Sex and the City, just as girls often aren't into cars and war but this doesn't stop them having relationships with men. -- Last edit: 2011-05-26 00:37:14
chicomarx ◊ 2011-05-26 00:45	I only watch for the humour myself... For serious reviews they'll refer you to Fifth Gear. "The German word for nipple is Brustwartz - breast wart. Here I feel is a nation that can be relied upon to make a man's car." "Britain made this? They had the affrontery and the barefaced cheek to call it a "Super". They should have called it "Trotskyite crap"! Maybe that's what "TC" stood for." Besides, I don't think that many episodes are left. The producers have already said the current format is closer to the end than the beginning.
G-MANN ◊ 2011-05-26 00:47	chicomarx wrote Besides, I don't think that many episodes are left. The producers have already said the current format is closer to the end than the beginning. Really? I haven't heard about this. I hope they aren't going to pull the plug soon.
chicomarx ◊ 2011-05-26 01:08	It was in The Guardian: http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/organgrinder/2009/dec/22/top-gear "It's fair to say this incarnation of Top Gear is nearer the end than the beginning, and our job is to land this plane with its dignity still intact."
G-MANN ◊ 2011-05-26 01:15	That article is from 2009. People often say this kind of thing, I remember nearly 10 years ago Matt Groening said they were running out of ideas with The Simpsons, yet it's still going today (even though it's long past its best IMHO)
chicomarx ◊ 2011-05-26 01:25	As long as there's money in it, but with Top Gear they'll probably want to avoid milking it. Hopefully it'll be more like Fawlty Towers than The Simpsons in that regard...
Nightrider ◊ 2011-05-26 11:04	G-MANN wrote Sorry but that's not really a valid argument. Just because a car is not built for performance doesn't mean it shouldn't have reasonable handling. But OK, this car was built for America, Clarkson is only looking at it from an outsider's point of view. Rolls-Royces are not mass-market cars. They are made for rich people. What are you really trying to say here? What is "reasonable" handling? Plus, reasonable number of outsiders don't have such a problems with it. Maybe because they wasn't trying to drive it in Clarkson's manner. And you still can install Ford Crown Vic Police Interceptor suspension on it. And Lincolns were made for rednecks? Or you want to say, that car for rich people can eat more fuel than car for not-so-rich (or just with lesser ambitions) people? Excuse me for my bad English. Maybe I was trying to say, that Clarkson popularity doesn't affect his value (?). Excuse me for my bad English again.
G-MANN ◊ 2011-05-26 19:05	Nightrider wrote And you still can install Ford Crown Vic Police Interceptor suspension on it. Yes, and you can always put a big engine in a Lada Nightrider wrote Maybe I was trying to say, that Clarkson popularity doesn't affect his value (?). You mean it doesn't make his opinion more valid. That's fine, fair enough, it is just an opinion at the end of the day. To each his own, some Americans probably wouldn't like the Mini because it's so small. -- Last edit: 2011-05-26 19:09:22
Nightrider ◊ 2011-05-26 20:00	G-MANN wrote Yes, and you can always put a big engine in a Lada You mean it doesn't make his opinion more valid. That's fine, fair enough, it is just an opinion at the end of the day. To each his own, some Americans probably wouldn't like the Mini because it's so small. Of course. http://img481.imageshack.us/img481/8254/v8lada5pe.jpg With all due respect to old Mini, which was, of course, significant milestone...I dislike current one. ))
Carfan1978 ◊ 2021-10-08 18:41	The inspiration for GTA IV's driving physics.
tangre79 ◊ 2022-01-31 16:02	I've watched this episode multiple times and this segment doesn't appear at any point in it. But the segment is posted on YouTube, and this is the episode the segment is most likely to be in. I'm confused.

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