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1987 Toyota Coaster Caetano Optimo I [HB30]

1987 Toyota Coaster [HB30] in Inspector Morse, TV Series, 1987-2000 IMDB Ep. 2.03

Class: Bus, Single-deck — Model origin: JP — Built in: PT — Made for: GB

1987 Toyota Coaster Caetano Optimo I [HB30]

Pos: 00:04:00 [*][*] Minor action vehicle or used in only a short scene

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Sandie SX

◊ 2021-04-25 23:11

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I think it's the one used for this scene, even though in the story it's meant to be the Iveco bus:
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Plate check is... unhelpful:
0THERS WEST EUROPEAN OTHER W.EURO OTHER 1987
Registration number: D366SFC
Body type: Motor Home/Caravan
Colour: Black And White
Date of first registration: May 1987

Lowlander SX

◊ 2021-04-26 23:31

 from BusListsontheWeb D366SFC is a 1987 Toyota Coaster BB30R / Caetano Optimo. It must count as a Caetano rather than a Toyota for licensing purposes.

From other pictures on this site the coach in front is B470XBW, a 1985 Fiat 60F10 / Caetano Beja

SteveA EN

◊ 2021-04-27 19:19

 A printed fleetlist I have for Pearce has D366SFC as a Talbot BB30R. Although branded as Pearce of Oxford, they actually operate from Berinsfield.

dsl SX

◊ 2021-04-27 21:16

 DVLA MOT says
D366 SFC
CAETANO
Colour Grey
Fuel type Diesel
Date registered 5 May 1987
MOT expired on 7 June 2015
Date tested 8 June 2014 PASS
Mileage 213,673 miles

"Toyota HB30R / Caetano Optimo, new to Pearce, Berinsfield"
"Grey Caetano At Glastonbury Festival D366SFC (1987) Talbot Caetano C19F. Ex-Pearce, Berinsfield"

At least everyone agrees where it came from. Noted the Talbot link has errors on some other entries - eg a "mutilated Horizon" is actually an unfortunate Chrysler Sunbeam.

Lowlander SX

◊ 2021-04-28 01:28

 I seem to recall the chassis were shipped from Japan to Portugal CKD for assembly by Caetano (possibly as semi-integrals?), hence the licensing details. Examples of this model are recorded on this site as both Toyota Coaster and Caetano Optimo, but personally I'd go with Caetano if that is what the DVLA has. Pedantically it is an Optimo I.

dsl SX

◊ 2021-04-28 02:55
Lowlander wrote I'd go with Caetano if that is what the DVLA has ....

DVLA does not always speak the best truth. Sometimes it's more useful to ad-lib. Do we have similar already, and what have we called them?

Lowlander SX

◊ 2021-04-28 10:39
dsl wrote
DVLA does not always speak the best truth. Sometimes it's more useful to ad-lib. Do we have similar already, and what have we called them?


There is inconsistency in how they are recorded - There are 8 listed as Caetano Optimos and I count 5 amongst the Toyota Coasters:

/vehicle_652491-Toyota-Coaster.html
/vehicle_961554-Toyota-Coaster.html
/vehicle_1232807-Toyota-Coaster.html
/vehicle_489703-Toyota-Coaster-HB31-1988.html
/vehicle_1467645-Toyota-Coaster-HB31-1988.html

The PSV Circle and other bus enthusiast listings invariably describe the chassis as Toyotas. The Talbot reference is a red herring - probably someone has misinterpreted the PSV Circle's "Ta" Toyota abbreviation (their abbreviation for Talbot is "Tbt").

-- Last edit: 2021-04-28 13:29:51

dsl SX

◊ 2021-04-28 15:22

 Beyond my pay grade to say anything further.

:hello: Decisions needed from the Buses Expert Sub-Committee.
- what do we call this one?
- should we relabel any of the others, possibly as a single batch to remove stragglers?

opal TH

◊ 2021-04-28 15:29

 Sample:
/vehicle_412989-Caetano-Optimo-1988.html

johnfromstaffs EN

◊ 2021-04-28 16:27

 The convention for a bus/coach constructed on a chassis is accepted as: - Chassis maker/type followed by Body maker/type so we might have

Leyland Royal Tiger/Burlingham Seagull or
Dodge S Series/Thomas Built or
Bedford OB/Duple Vista

which is a clear and unambiguous description that would instantly conjure an image to any bus enthusiast. Why change the system? If it’s good enough for BLOTW it should be good enough for us.

However, a problem arises with modern vehicles like Van Hool, where the coachbuilder constructs the whole thing, and buys mechanical units from maybe more than one supplier. In the case of the subject vehicle, is a Toyota Coaster a free standing drivable chassis? Do Caetano build a body to fit on to it? Then stick to the convention if yes to both.
If Caetano build a frameless coach and Toyota Coaster means a kit of mechanicals to provide power and suspension/steering units, then it’s again a done deal, Coachbuider as maker/Supplier of oily bits as a descriptor.

It’s when you don’t know who makes what that the problem occurs.

-- Last edit: 2021-04-28 16:58:26

Lowlander SX

◊ 2021-04-28 20:33
johnfromstaffs wrote
However, a problem arises with modern vehicles like Van Hool, where the coachbuilder constructs the whole thing, and buys mechanical units from maybe more than one supplier. In the case of the subject vehicle, is a Toyota Coaster a free standing drivable chassis? Do Caetano build a body to fit on to it? Then stick to the convention if yes to both.
If Caetano build a frameless coach and Toyota Coaster means a kit of mechanicals to provide power and suspension/steering units, then it’s again a done deal, Coachbuilder as maker/Supplier of oily bits as a descriptor.

It’s when you don’t know who makes what that the problem occurs.


Worst classification problem of all IMHO were the semi-integrals built by one coachbuilder using modular running gear supplied by another coachbuilder which is better known for building its own integrals using proprietary parts. E.g. Duple Calypso on Bova running gear and various coachbuilders' products using Auwaerter bits. Then some owner decides to stick on a DAF or Mercedes-Benz badge because of the engine, and unless you know what you're looking for it's a minefield! Companies like Van Hool which offered both integrals and conventional bodies of the same appearance are another wonderful opportunity for confusion, especially when the coachbuilder offered integrals with an engine from the same manufacturer as one of the chassis options. Is that a Van Hool T815 Acron integral with a DAF engine or a DAF SB3000 / Van Hool T815 Alizee SH...?

As regards this one I think that it was a conventional Toyota chassis, assembled from CKD by the coachbuilder (or maybe part-CKD with some local input to Toyota design), but still essentially a Toyota.

From "Bus & Coach Recognition - 3rd Edition" (1992):

"Caetano is 27% owned by Toyota and builds its Optimo 21-seat midicoach on the Japanese manufacturer's Coaster chassis..."

4th Edition (1998) says:
"Toyota Optimo: Toyota's Coaster is one of the world's best selling buses. For the British market, it is assembled and bodied in Portugal by Caetano, which is 27% owned by Toyota, and sold as the Optimo..."

5th edition says much the same without referring to ownership.

-- Last edit: 2021-04-28 20:49:04

johnfromstaffs EN

◊ 2021-04-28 23:31

 Or the semi integrals built by Beadle in the 40s/50s.

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