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1954 Ferrari 250 GT Europa Coupé Pinin Farina [0361GT]

1954 Ferrari 250 GT Europa [0361GT] in Fifth Gear, Non-fiction TV, 2002-2019 IMDB Ep. 13.01

Class: Cars, Coupé — Model origin: IT

1954 Ferrari 250 GT Europa Coupé Pinin Farina [0361GT]

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CougarTim US

◊ 2008-03-11 01:46

 Is there any reason this is listed as "250 Europa GT" instead of "250 GT Europa"?

Sold by RM Auctions in London in October, 2007, for 374,000 pounds.

antp BE

◊ 2008-03-11 10:27

 I guess we would switch the name

ben68 BE

◊ 2008-04-18 18:35
CougarTim wrote Is there any reason this is listed as "250 Europa GT" instead of "250 GT Europa"?
Sold by RM Auctions in London in October, 2007, for 374,000 pounds.


Just "250 Europa". 14 pieces produced in this form (Coupé PininFarina), s/n's from 0303 EU to 0351 EU.

antp BE

◊ 2008-04-18 21:19

 Hey, you're back :) We were not seeing you on the site anymore since some time, and we were wondering why ;)

-- Last edit: 2008-04-18 21:20:46

ben68 BE

◊ 2008-04-24 19:47
antp wrote Hey, you're back :) We were not seeing you on the site anymore since some time, and we were wondering why ;)


Due to many other activities... But I'll be back more often soon ;)

dsl SX

◊ 2013-02-15 18:44

 [0361GT] - sold by Bernie Ecclestone in 2007 - http://www.rmauctions.com/CarDetails.cfm?SaleCode=LF07&CarID=r132 .

chammo

◊ 2019-11-28 01:25

 Not a 250 Europa (2800mm wheelbase, Lampredi engine), but a later 250 GT Europa (2600mm wheelbase, Colombo engine).



-- Last edit: 2020-02-24 17:35:34

993cc VA

◊ 2022-06-05 21:30

 Link to "www.barchetta.cc"

Initial id in 2008 of "250 Europa GT" was correct after all...

chammo

◊ 2022-12-16 10:15
993cc wrote Initial id in 2008 of "250 Europa GT" was correct after all...
No, no such model exist.

New wb/2600mm chassis frame for 1955 was called 250GT, so this "Europa"-style coupe should be called a 250GT Europa Pinin Farina Coupé.

993cc VA

◊ 2022-12-16 21:31

 Seems somewhat strange to me too for "GT" to not follow after "250" as is usually the case but still.. barchetta.cc, the official Ferrari site, Hemmings, Pebble Beach listings and most everywhere this is how they call it. Probably the reasoning is that as ferrari.com says it follows nomenclature like 212 Inter, 375 America etc. Also here Link to "www.ultimatecarpage.com" in Pebble Beach a car is presented as "250 Europa GT Pinin Farina Berlinetta" though it looks more like the Coupe?
Anyway! whatever's correct should apply to the other 250 Europas as well.

-- Last edit: 2022-12-16 21:32:53

dsl SX

◊ 2022-12-17 03:44
993cc wrote Anyway whatever's correct should apply to the other 250 Europas as well.

Do we have any others? I can't see any or am I missing something obvious?

993cc VA

◊ 2022-12-17 03:51

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chammo

◊ 2022-12-17 04:50
dsl wrote Do we have any others? I can't see any or am I missing something obvious?

I am not aware of any 250 Europa (wb/2800mm, 3-litre Lampredi engine) appearing in a film.

It is sort of funny as the site has 5 (five!) 375 Americas, which is basically the same car with the same Lampredi engine bored out to a 4,5 litres.

-- Last edit: 2022-12-17 04:51:42

chammo

◊ 2022-12-17 05:29
993cc wrote Seems somewhat strange to me too for "GT" to not follow after "250" as is usually the case but still.. barchetta.cc, the official Ferrari site, Hemmings, Pebble Beach listings and most everywhere this is how they call it. Probably the reasoning is that as ferrari.com says it follows nomenclature like 212 Inter, 375 America etc. Also here Link to "www.ultimatecarpage.com" in Pebble Beach a car is presented as "250 Europa GT Pinin Farina Berlinetta" though it looks more like the Coupe?
Anyway! whatever's correct should apply to the other 250 Europas as well.

Without an exception all cars using the new Tipo 508 wb/2600mm chassis frame from 1955 onwards, were designated 250 GT. It was an evolution of 212 Inter (wb/2600mm, 2,6-litre engine) and the old-fashioned 250 Europa/375 America line was killed off, 410 Superamerica replacing the 375.

Worth also remembering that some of the "text sediment" on barchetta.cc is already 25 years old, and writers all over the world often cite whatever the owner says or whatever is thought to excite the reader. A rule of thumb is that luxury road cars are Coupes and primitive competition cars are Berlinettas. After introduction of a 2+2, marketing chose to call all road going 2-seaters berlinettas.

Ps. I would call 0361GT a 250GT Europa Pinin Farina Coupe, and same goes for sister car 0409GT in the link above.

-- Last edit: 2022-12-17 05:34:50

dsl SX

◊ 2022-12-17 16:31

 OK done. If external sources can't agree, we have to use our own judgement to resolve.
chammo wrote .... and same goes for sister car 0409GT in the link above.


As far as I can tell, we don't have it. But noted in case it ever pops up and someone remembers to connect it.

And agreed to leave 383GT and 385GT as currently entered?? Or??

993cc VA

◊ 2022-12-17 16:35

 In that case how about " 250 GT Europa Coupé Pinin Farina [....] " so maybe they're batched together and apart from the rest 250 GT?

993cc VA

◊ 2022-12-17 16:44

 Writing at the same time.. so agreed. The other two should be the same but with Berlinetta instead of Coupé.

(250 is separate from GT..)

-- Last edit: 2022-12-17 16:47:55

chammo

◊ 2022-12-18 08:29
dsl wrote And agreed to leave 383GT and 385GT as currently entered?? Or??
Is ok, these sister cars now appearing together is a clear improvement. They are prototype berlinettas, sort of in-betweens among PF series production cars and later Scaglietti built racing cars (Tour de France). The first Scagliettis for 1956 were almost identical, like 0513GT here:

/vehicle_963785-Ferrari-250-GT-Berlinetta-1956.html

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