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johnfromstaffs ◊ 2022-04-30 09:03	Gamer, surely we can be more accurate than this, any further offer?
Gamer ◊ 2022-04-30 09:32	It looks Slough-built by the bullet shaped parking lamps. Stoneguard makes it postwar, by the size and small crankhole I'd say 1949 11. Steering wheel appears to be white so before July 49. It's LHD but the image may be mirrored.
johnfromstaffs ◊ 2022-04-30 09:42	Thanks.
993cc ◊ 2022-04-30 13:39	Plate digits look right so real lhd. No idea what the white plate is though.
fred1969 ◊ 2022-05-02 17:48	I think it's an 11 made in Slough between 1945 and 1949 (agree with Gamer) It looks a lot like a "light 12" but what bothers me are the hood vents... https://www.citroenet.org.uk/foreign/slough/traction/traction-01.html Plate digit ends by "59" that indicates the department of the North of France...facing England -- Last edit: 2022-05-02 17:57:12
993cc ◊ 2022-05-02 17:53	But lhd made in Slough?
fred1969 ◊ 2022-05-02 17:57	...or one of the very first light 15 ? but I don't think it coincides with the dates. It may also be a composite model for the film: the front hubcaps seem different from the rear ones... -- Last edit: 2022-05-02 18:07:09
993cc ◊ 2022-05-02 18:00	Left hand drive. Shouldn't it be right hand drive if it was built in UK? Unless they built for export too.
dsl ◊ 2022-05-02 18:03	^ Left Hand Drive zodiac wrote I found an interesting "Traction" homepage http://www.cats-citroen.net/citroen_tractionavant/index.html (click on England) ...... according to that page, the only version available as LHD from Slough was the "Light Fifteen LHD" built from 1949 until 1954. That is 304 in total, some 2 per cent of the whole Traction production in Slough (about 16.000). from here This - if confirmed - would be our 3rd LHD Slough-build sighting (we also have this one in Gibralter), so only another 301 to go ....
993cc ◊ 2022-05-02 18:11	Ah! So these were intended for export.
johnfromstaffs ◊ 2022-05-02 18:12	993cc wrote Plate digits look right so real lhd. No idea what the white plate is though. It may be a British “Trade Plate”. Used by traders/manufs when they had to drive an untaxed and uninsured car on the open road.
Gamer ◊ 2022-05-02 18:15	fred1969 wrote I think it's an 11 made in Slough between 1945 and 1949 *1947-49 more likely. 1945-46 were identical to the prewar versions and only delivered to military personnel. Export and civilian sales restarted in late 1946 (for the 1947 calendar year) Also, I'm pretty sure Slough hadn't yet restarted production right after the war.
fred1969 ◊ 2022-05-02 18:20	993cc wrote Left hand drive. Shouldn't it be right hand drive if it was built in UK? Unless they built for export too. after the second world war, there were a lot of french (and european) customers who wanted a Traction, but the production was still in England with right hand drive so these customers made special orders with left hand drive some info here : https://citroenvie.com/%EF%BB%BFmy-special-1951-traction-light-15/
fred1969 ◊ 2022-05-02 18:23	johnfromstaffs wrote It may be a British “Trade Plate”. Used by traders/manufs when they had to drive an untaxed and uninsured car on the open road. yes or maybe a kind of diplomatic corps plate?
993cc ◊ 2022-05-02 18:25	fred1969 wrote after the second world war, there were a lot of french (and european) customers who wanted a Traction, but the production was still in England with right hand drive so these customers made special orders with left hand drive some info here : https://citroenvie.com/%EF%BB%BFmy-special-1951-traction-light-15/ Thanks for that!
johnfromstaffs ◊ 2022-05-02 19:07	No knowledge of diplomatic corps plates. Surely that would have something a bit more flash than a basic traction?
dsl ◊ 2022-05-02 21:42	^ Embassies have lots of servants and junior admin clerks who no doubt drive around in ordinary porridge. And spies who don't want to be very conspicuous .... Doesn't explain this one with any usefulness, just mentioning that there'd be all sorts of permutations out there.
fred1969 ◊ 2022-05-02 23:26	johnfromstaffs wrote No knowledge of diplomatic corps plates. Surely that would have something a bit more flash than a basic traction? in fact, I think it's written "TAXY" on the sign of the grille you have to watch the movie : the car arrives at Orly airport in Paris in the middle of other cabs (4 letters) ...a DIY for the movie https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hb6t5FSO12s By the way, I'm pretty sure that's a 11BL if we suppose that's the same car on other scene -> there are two different models with the engine ventilation grids -- Last edit: 2022-05-02 23:33:46
dsl ◊ 2022-05-02 23:40	If plate is 267 DW 59, it was late 1966, which is kind of difficult to digest; 267 DM 59 isn't much better as 1965. The first B(x) 59 plates came in 1954, but it doesn't really look like a B. T(x) 59 started in 1991 ...... So the plate is total pants.
fred1969 ◊ 2022-05-02 23:46	dsl wrote And spies who don't want to be very conspicuous failed! dsl wrote Doesn't explain this one with any usefulness, just mentioning that there'd be all sorts of permutations out there. ...just because the director must not have had a penny in his pocket to finish his film -- Last edit: 2022-05-02 23:46:21
fred1969 ◊ 2022-05-02 23:48	I read "267 TM 59"...
dsl ◊ 2022-05-03 01:41	^ So do I. I was just covering all bases in case ....
Gamer ◊ 2022-05-03 15:22	Okay, now with these pictures, definitely prewar or immediate postwar by the hood. But the last picture shows a July 1949+ white steering wheel (possibly 1950+ ribbed spokes) still with black tachometer which was changed to yellow the same month.
fred1969 ◊ 2022-05-03 20:34	agree with gamer. I'm almost sure that's a prewar modele and probably a 11 by the rear -> see Citroen archiv here https://www.citroenorigins.fr/sites/default/files/presentation1.pdf you can easily recognize a pre-war traction vehicle by the rear window made of pressed metal. The machine that manufactured this part of the bodywork was destroyed during the war so all the tractions that don't have this pressed roof are from after the war another pic. but I'm not sure if they are all the same car -- Last edit: 2022-05-03 20:41:02

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