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1929 Rolls-Royce unknown Class: Cars, Funeral — Model origin: 
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Vehicle used a lot by a main character or for a long time
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◊ 2022-08-23 16:58 |
I think that this is probably a Phantom 1 but cannot find any coachwork to match these curves. Any help gratefully accepted. |
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◊ 2022-08-23 17:43 |
I don't know this particular unit. The curves are a very distinctive feature, though. Not oval-oval like the Dottridge Daimlers, but rectangular-oval, if that makes sense... Not seen everyday, particularly not in my archives.  Woodall Nicholson, who rebodied many Rolls-Royce for the funeral industry, often used rear side windows with either an upper or a lower curve and the curved trim below the windows can also be seen on various Woodall Nicholson hearses. Combined with curved sideglass and the shape of the roofline including the gutter (is that the correct term?), what we see reminds me of John Marston's Carriage Works of Birmingham, who clearly had a thing for curved windows throughout their work. And then there were S.D.C. Taylor & Co. Ltd. of Kensington, who tailored fine hearses around that time. See examples of both coachbuilders below. ![[Image: johnmarstonscarriageworksrollsroycehearse.jpg]](http://pics.imcdb.org/3946/johnmarstonscarriageworksrollsroycehearse.jpg) ![[Image: taylorcorolls-royce.jpg]](http://pics.imcdb.org/3946/taylorcorolls-royce.jpg) My £ is on Marston, but admittedly it's not a great sum. Well, that's it for now - back to the studio. |
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◊ 2022-08-23 18:12 |
Another P1 curvy hearse where Marston has been suggested - looks similar but some differences. |
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◊ 2022-08-23 18:22 |
^ Sssh, dsl - back then I suggested Mascot Motors Ltd. because of the moldings and the shape of the body above the driver's cabin, not Marston. .gif ";)") But you're right, yet another curvy performer [don't quote this out of context! Thx.] and I'd like to rule them out for the current case above. |
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◊ 2022-08-23 18:27 |
At least the subject vehicle hasn’t got that hideous split front screen. |
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◊ 2022-08-23 20:06 |
UW3000 Did all these old Roller hearse's just get scrapped or were some given saloon/tourer bodies ? ![[Image: 2022-08-2277.jpg]](http://pics.imcdb.org/3808/2022-08-2277.jpg) ![[Image: 2022-08-2290.jpg]](http://pics.imcdb.org/3808/2022-08-2290.jpg) ![[Image: 2022-08-22100.jpg]](http://pics.imcdb.org/3808/2022-08-22100.jpg) -- Last edit: 2022-08-23 20:08:49 |
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◊ 2022-08-23 20:11 |
... = London Sept-Dec 1929. |
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◊ 2022-08-23 20:19 |
Which presents a problem as it might be a Phantom II at that date, or the plate might not precisely match the chassis for dates. |
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◊ 2022-08-23 20:21 |
Is this the normal Spirit.![[Image: 2022-08-2243.jpg]](http://pics.imcdb.org/3808/2022-08-2243.jpg) |
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◊ 2022-08-23 20:40 |
Depends… Link to "www.hagerty.com" |
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◊ 2022-08-23 20:45 |
What's pretty unique to Rolls-Royce hearses is that in many cases the career as a funeral vehicle is just a phase. Sometimes supposably the final phase, but many former Rolls-Royce hearses get indeed rebodied as saloons or tourers or such, with some of them even having started out as saloons for a number of years before they got rebodied into hearses, just to become a vehicle for living passengers again after a few decades. It's not too long ago that Coleman Milne asked funeral directors to bring in their Silver Spirits and have them transformed into hearses and limousines and many more coachbuilders in the world still (would) do the same. We have the interesting example of a divorce of a chassis from its hearse body and both of them lived happily ever after - just no longer as unit! I guess that the majority of vanished RR hearses have been rebodied, as they normally don't get scrapped or even banger raced. The RR society is alleged to be rather wealthy, so it's not a surprise the more valuable body has a better chance of surviving, while old hearses are comparatively low-priced, but brilliantly serve as donor chassis. And the rest? Still serves as hearse at undertakers in the UK or elsewhere or sits in private collections. |
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◊ 2022-08-23 20:59 |
True, as the market for more sporting, open cars has increased so have the prices, in some cases by a remarkable extent. As the proportion of closed to open cars increased during the latter 1920s, so the tourers and coupés became more unusual and now such uses as hearses tend to be relegated to lesser makes a market for such things as replica Barker barrel sided tourers has come into being. A look at the prices being asked for the originals of such cars gives you an idea of the mark-up available to those who have a dilapidated hearse under the back stairs. They are now even rebodying R-type Bentleys! -- Last edit: 2022-08-23 21:08:07 |
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◊ 2023-10-09 18:23 |
I have seen similar Woodall-Nicholson, but hardly conclusive. |
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