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Steave ◊ 2024-01-31 19:36	Other pictures:
RushCars24ID ◊ 2024-02-01 09:32	No sense on having the Indonesian built tag, there are some kind of a contradiction about Holden's Indonesian presence in Wikipedia's "Automotive industry in Indonesia" page, especially no relevant cited sources posted in that article, which we shall never know if the info is indeed 100% accurate. Besides, checking on the "Holden Special" and "Holden HD" pages in Wikipedia, I can't find Indonesia in the assembly location table list of those two articles.
Steave ◊ 2024-02-01 21:43	RushCars24ID wrote No sense on having the Indonesian built tag, there are some kind of a contradiction about Holden's Indonesian presence in Wikipedia's "Automotive industry in Indonesia" page, especially no relevant cited sources posted in that article, which we shall never know if the info is indeed 100% accurate. Besides, checking on the "Holden Special" and "Holden HD" pages in Wikipedia, I can't find Indonesia in the assembly location table list of those two articles. >>>>> /vehicle_1863563-Holden-Special-FB-1960.html <<<<< Permission to put the link here too so those who saw this page can be directed to the page where I wrote about Holden's Indonesia assembling plant that for some reason wasn't included in the Wikipedia assembly location list Agree, @RushCars24ID we'll never know if the info in the Wiki is indeed 100% accurate, even the info that I myself provided. But I'll try my best to keep things straight forward & cited mostly reliable sources such as books that I have & advertisements that promotes the car in the past issued by the company that assembled + marketed it (which is not an easy task, props to them who scan & uploads them to the net. Its a pity that such information didn't have a proper archival system here). What I've found: currently there are none that mentions about the HD (1965-1966). But I've found some info about the later HR (1966-1968) & HG (1970-1971) HR Ute, Panel Van & Sedan, note this one is an Australian brochure, but stamped with "PT Udatin Tjabang Djakarta" stamps. Different type than the local ads I've shared before. Sources: https://www.instagram.com/p/Cx9Rk2dSmL1/?igsh=MTU3aHB6MGZ0ZWpvbw== https://www.instagram.com/p/CEIopd7poWE/?igsh=MTI5ZGF0eWtnbm5weA== HG Sedan (Kingswood & Premier) Sources: Kingswood - Mobil & Motor Magazine, August 1971 https://www.instagram.com/p/CstCtjIpPA8/?igsh=dWpzaW15aGhjOWpu Premier - Sinar Harapan Newspaper, Wednesday 3rd November 1971 https://www.instagram.com/p/CnWHLhxJ3uk/?igsh=MWozdWZpNWp4Mm9hbg== https://www.instagram.com/p/CssPiN1J7lr/?igsh=NjdrM29obDNkcXQ1 Some interesting notes from the ad: - In the Kingswood ad, below the Holden logo there is a slogan that reads: "Sudah 12 tahun terbukti dan terkenal di Indonesia sebagai mobil prestise", translates as "Proven for 12 years & well-known in Indonesia as a prestige car". FYI 12 years prior the ad is 1959, the year that Holden started to import some populations of FC here & 2 years later in 1961 sets its assembly plant at the former Borgward plant, makes the brand debut with the FB model. In the Premier ad also features the similar slogan. - Also, previously listed in Holden ads is PT Udatin Tjabang Djakarta or PT Udatin Jakarta Branch, in the ad the name changes to PT Udatimex. - As I previously mentioned (several times), it's clearly written in the ad that PT Udatin (Prapatkurung Selatan 21 Road, Tanjung Perak, Surabaya, East Java) is the general assembler of these Holden cars In Indonesia. In fact, since its debut in 1961. Again, with all these info, still wondering why it didn't make it in the Wiki page. I guess the history of Holden cars in this country is not that well known to outsiders, even for Indonesians itself thanks to scarce reliable sources about these.

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◊ 2024-01-31 19:36

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◊ 2024-02-01 09:32

No sense on having the Indonesian built tag, there are some kind of a contradiction about Holden's Indonesian presence in Wikipedia's "Automotive industry in Indonesia" page, especially no relevant cited sources posted in that article, which we shall never know if the info is indeed 100% accurate.

Besides, checking on the "Holden Special" and "Holden HD" pages in Wikipedia, I can't find Indonesia in the assembly location table list of those two articles.

Steave

◊ 2024-02-01 21:43

RushCars24ID wrote No sense on having the Indonesian built tag, there are some kind of a contradiction about Holden's Indonesian presence in Wikipedia's "Automotive industry in Indonesia" page, especially no relevant cited sources posted in that article, which we shall never know if the info is indeed 100% accurate.

Besides, checking on the "Holden Special" and "Holden HD" pages in Wikipedia, I can't find Indonesia in the assembly location table list of those two articles.

>>>>> /vehicle_1863563-Holden-Special-FB-1960.html <<<<<
Permission to put the link here too so those who saw this page can be directed to the page where I wrote about Holden's Indonesia assembling plant that for some reason wasn't included in the Wikipedia assembly location list :??:

Agree, @RushCars24ID we'll never know if the info in the Wiki is indeed 100% accurate, even the info that I myself provided. But I'll try my best to keep things straight forward & cited mostly reliable sources such as books that I have & advertisements that promotes the car in the past issued by the company that assembled + marketed it (which is not an easy task, props to them who scan & uploads them to the net. Its a pity that such information didn't have a proper archival system here).

What I've found: currently there are none that mentions about the HD (1965-1966). But I've found some info about the later HR (1966-1968) & HG (1970-1971)

HR Ute, Panel Van & Sedan, note this one is an Australian brochure, but stamped with "PT Udatin Tjabang Djakarta" stamps. Different type than the local ads I've shared before.

Sources:
https://www.instagram.com/p/Cx9Rk2dSmL1/?igsh=MTU3aHB6MGZ0ZWpvbw==
https://www.instagram.com/p/CEIopd7poWE/?igsh=MTI5ZGF0eWtnbm5weA==

HG Sedan (Kingswood & Premier)

Sources:
Kingswood - Mobil & Motor Magazine, August 1971
https://www.instagram.com/p/CstCtjIpPA8/?igsh=dWpzaW15aGhjOWpu
Premier - Sinar Harapan Newspaper, Wednesday 3rd November 1971
https://www.instagram.com/p/CnWHLhxJ3uk/?igsh=MWozdWZpNWp4Mm9hbg==
https://www.instagram.com/p/CssPiN1J7lr/?igsh=NjdrM29obDNkcXQ1

Some interesting notes from the ad:
- In the Kingswood ad, below the Holden logo there is a slogan that reads: "Sudah 12 tahun terbukti dan terkenal di Indonesia sebagai mobil prestise", translates as "Proven for 12 years & well-known in Indonesia as a prestige car". FYI 12 years prior the ad is 1959, the year that Holden started to import some populations of FC here & 2 years later in 1961 sets its assembly plant at the former Borgward plant, makes the brand debut with the FB model. In the Premier ad also features the similar slogan.
- Also, previously listed in Holden ads is PT Udatin Tjabang Djakarta or PT Udatin Jakarta Branch, in the ad the name changes to PT Udatimex.
- As I previously mentioned (several times), it's clearly written in the ad that PT Udatin (Prapatkurung Selatan 21 Road, Tanjung Perak, Surabaya, East Java) is the general assembler of these Holden cars In Indonesia. In fact, since its debut in 1961. Again, with all these info, still wondering why it didn't make it in the Wiki page. :think:

I guess the history of Holden cars in this country is not that well known to outsiders, even for Indonesians itself thanks to scarce reliable sources about these.

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