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sixcyl ◊ 2008-09-02 12:37	In Ep.1.13 "L'homme au sang bleu" 1991 Citroën BX Millésime In Ep.1.06 "Casse-pipe à la Nation" In Ep.1.07 "Du Rebecca rue des rosiers" In Ep.1.01 "Pas de bavards à la Muette" 1987 Citroën BX Evasion In Ep.1.06 "Casse-pipe à la Nation" -- Last edit: 2010-03-03 11:52:23 (antp)
sixcyl ◊ 2008-09-02 12:40	The 1st "Sport" version on the site it seems
rpcm ◊ 2008-09-02 13:32	With this specific "body-kit" and the dark grey painted wheels, I would say it's a 1990+ BX 16 Soupapes ( a phase 2 ).
antp ◊ 2008-09-02 16:14	sixcyl wrote The 1st "Sport" version on the site it seems /vehicle.php?id=17418
DIEHARD ◊ 2008-09-07 15:33	sixcyl wrote The 1st "Sport" version on the site it seems The first 16 Soupapes Nice find! There is a BX sport on this page: /vehicle_17418-Citroen-BX-Sport-1985.html
DIEHARD ◊ 2008-09-07 15:34	Sorry Antoine was before me...should have read further..
DIEHARD ◊ 2008-09-07 15:34	rpcm wrote With this specific "body-kit" and the dark grey painted wheels, I would say it's a 1990+ BX 16 Soupapes ( a phase 2 ). Actually a ph3 bx and a ph2 16v....
rpcm ◊ 2008-09-08 16:30	Sorry, Diehard, but in all I've read about the BX, I couldn't find a mention of a 3rd series. All the sources ( including period "L'Automobile" magazines ) confirm that their first model year - or "millésime" - was 1983. Then, in July 1986 they were restyled and the 1987 model year was the first for the 2nd series that lasted until the end of production. For 1990, the equipment was just improved, it received new hubcaps and the colours of the rear lights were changed. This was not considered by any source I found as the beginning of a 3rd series. About the BX 16 Soupapes, it was never called 16v in France. It started its life in the 1988 model year as BX GTi 16 Soupapes and when it received some improvements, that included this new rear spoiler, its name changed to just BX 16 Soupapes
Ingo ◊ 2008-09-08 20:08	@rpcm: sorry for being offtopic, but here is no chance to send private messages. I have a question: do you have in Portugal also classic-car-markets like that ones: http://www.beaulieu.co.uk/events-internationalautojumble.cfm http://www.veterama.de/ http://www.siha.de/ etc.? If yes, perhaps I would like to make a one-day- or weekend-trip (if low-cost-tickets are available). You know, I'm still searching for Portuguese K 70-literature. Due the inlay-sheet about safety-belts for the 1972'instruction manual, which is in Portuguese, too, I may be sure, that there were Portuguese brochures and manuals, too. Unfortunately eBay seems not to be popular in Portugal. -- Last edit: 2008-09-08 20:10:01
garco ◊ 2008-09-08 20:20	Ingo wrote @rpcm: sorry for being offtopic, but here is no chance to send private messages. Also not on the forum?
Ingo ◊ 2008-09-09 18:32	Yes, but rpcm don't use the forum.
rpcm ◊ 2008-09-09 18:52	I think I once told you that very few K70s were seen in Portugal. From what I can remember, I think all I've seen were privately imported. If there were some imported in period, I guess they were just for Guérin ( the importer at the time ) to assess the possibility of selling them. This firm went bankrupt and its association with VW stopped in 1987 or 1988. I doubt that something remained from that era. About the possibility you mention, I may tell you that I've never seen anything related to the K70 in Portuguese ( and I guess also not in other languages ) in the three main annual events of that kind that take place here. I'm usually aware of all kinds of period documentation and I'm sure that there are minimal chances ( because I don't want to use the word impossible ) of finding what you want. -- Last edit: 2008-09-09 18:54:25
Ingo ◊ 2008-09-09 19:05	Yes, a time ago we've talked about it. I just have checked the old export-list again: only 4 K 70 were officially exported to Portugal and none to any other country with Portuguese language (but no informations about Cabho Verde). I'm still coming back with my stupid idea about Portuguese literature, because of the Portuguese comment in just this single paper-sheet. Yes, it may sound nerdic. Probably I am so. Anyways, I found so many strange K 70-stuff in the last 18 years of collecting, that I'm still think, that sooner or later I could be successful. By the way: when and where are these three main annual events? And how big are they? -- Last edit: 2008-09-09 19:05:35
rpcm ◊ 2008-09-09 21:11	Auto Clássico is going to take place in Oporto's Exponor from 26 to 28 September, Motor Clássico usually takes place in April in Lisbon's FIL and Automobilia ( the one I like most ), happens in Aveiro during the month of May. Auto Clássico and Automobilia are the biggest ones, but Aveiro's Automobilia is the best to look for that type of items. Nevertheless, I can tell you that's not easy to find bargains in Portugal... -- Last edit: 2008-09-09 22:08:47
Raul1983 ◊ 2008-09-09 21:37	Ingo, do you have any Finnish K70 literature? I have two old car magazines from 1973 and both have a K70 on the front cover (Tekniikan Maailma and Moottori magazines). Also I have a blue VW K70 'Majorette' toy car. This is all I have for K70. -- Last edit: 2008-09-09 21:42:26
garco ◊ 2008-09-09 22:09	Ingo wrote Yes, but rpcm don't use the forum. Maybe he should do that?!
Ingo ◊ 2008-09-10 16:27	@rpcm: thanks for the tips. Perhaps I can manage a visit n the future. @Raul: only two sales brochures, one of 11/72 and one defect(!) - the date and the description of the colours are missing. It should be from autumn 1973. The magazines would be interesting. Shall I organize something to swap? I have the Majorette, too, even with the Sterckeman-trailer, as a red WIKING, too, left from my childhood Perhaps we sould continue by email.... A literature-collector you should check your stuff again. I just have seen, that I own one Norwegian brochure, too. I forgot that. The hammer was a English brochure (but with LHD-pics), I've bought in 1998 in New Zealand. Printing-number for Australia (strange, not one single K 70 was officially exported to down under). 8(!) years later I've looked close in the brochure and found a dealer's print - from Saigon, South Vietnam
Ingo ◊ 2008-09-22 18:28	@rpcm: if you would go to the market next weekend, I would be very pleased, if you could have an eye open for me. Many thanks.
rpcm ◊ 2008-09-23 00:58	I will
DIEHARD ◊ 2008-10-03 21:45	rpcm wrote Sorry, Diehard, but in all I've read about the BX, I couldn't find a mention of a 3rd series. All the sources ( including period "L'Automobile" magazines ) confirm that their first model year - or "millésime" - was 1983. Then, in July 1986 they were restyled and the 1987 model year was the first for the 2nd series that lasted until the end of production. For 1990, the equipment was just improved, it received new hubcaps and the colours of the rear lights were changed. This was not considered by any source I found as the beginning of a 3rd series. Dear rcpm, the 1990 change was more than just a rearlight restyling. Next to the changes you mention, other model indications where used, other bumpers (on some models) where introduced, the interiours got new decorations and the equipment changed. I consider this a restyle, but I must say I do this, because I always talked about it as a type 3 BX with other car enthusiasts. rpcm wrote About the BX 16 Soupapes, it was never called 16v in France. It started its life in the 1988 model year as BX GTi 16 Soupapes and when it received some improvements, that included this new rear spoiler, its name changed to just BX 16 Soupapes You are absoltely right on this, but I never stated otherwise did I?
rpcm ◊ 2008-10-04 01:51	As I previously said, I couldn't find any source that mentioned the existence of a 3rd series of the BX, that's why I wrote that. I don't want to repeat myself, but I didn't just search on the internet, I read the period "L'Automobile" magazines that are considered reference publications. When I'm identifying vehicles, I'm just trying to provide the most accurate information that I can find about a model in particular. I like to investigate the details of each model and it's a sort of game where the final goal is the accuracy of the information I can find - in order to provide it rigorously. If you want to know my opinion, I don't consider that the 1990 changes are important enough to be considered a restyling. The 1987 model year brought, indeed, a number of considerable changes, but not the 1990 one. About the 16 Soupapes, you mentioned the designation 16v in your 3rd comment, something that was never used by Citroën for the French BXs.
DIEHARD ◊ 2008-10-24 21:17	rpcm wrote As I previously said, I couldn't find any source that mentioned the existence of a 3rd series of the BX, that's why I wrote that. I don't want to repeat myself, but I didn't just search on the internet, I read the period "L'Automobile" magazines that are considered reference publications. I am not going to argue. And I do not say this to brag about myself, but please beware that some magazines are not always correct. They simply cannot be when they write about a car twenty years later, when most of them are of the road. Most of their information nowadays is based on resources like brochures, books and earlier publications. Every time when I see a GS/BX related publication I buy it. But almost every time not all the facts are correct. Often different magazines use the samen sources. Especially when there is not a lot published about a specific model. When a source is wrong, it often get duplicates wrong. This is what happend with the book "La GS de mon Pére" by Dominic Pagneux, it is used by several magazines, who got the same facts wrong. rpcm wrote When I'm identifying vehicles, I'm just trying to provide the most accurate information that I can find about a model in particular. I like to investigate the details of each model and it's a sort of game where the final goal is the accuracy of the information I can find - in order to provide it rigorously. If you want to know my opinion, I don't consider that the 1990 changes are important enough to be considered a restyling. The 1987 model year brought, indeed, a number of considerable changes, but not the 1990 one. I know and I respect you're opinion, I do not share it however. rpcm wrote About the 16 Soupapes, you mentioned the designation 16v in your 3rd comment, something that was never used by Citroën for the French BXs. In countries outside France the 16 Soupapes was called 16 Valve. It is correct that this is a 16 Soupases. I am just not used talking about it as a 16 Soupapes, but I always talk about a 16v. What I meant it was the second series of 16 Soupases, The first series (1988 - 1989) had standard BX Bumper with an extra frontspoiler, the rearspoiler was also standard, From 1990 onwards the Bumper are different, The rear spoiler is different aswel as the air inlet on the c- style. That is what I meant with the second series of 16 Soupapes. Anyway, it is nice to discuss this with you.

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