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Weasel1984 ◊ 2009-06-23 23:04	: -- Last edit: 2009-06-23 23:09:19
CarChasesFanatic ◊ 2009-06-23 23:10	Michał, did you know that this car was sold in Spain?
Weasel1984 ◊ 2009-06-23 23:12	Actually no. In early 1980's or 1990's?
CarChasesFanatic ◊ 2009-06-23 23:13	Hmm not sure of the decade, i'd say early nineties, but i am not completely sure.
Weasel1984 ◊ 2009-06-23 23:21	I guess early 1990's and newer models are more probable. Thanks for this information! I've never heard about it. In a revenge, as the curiosity I can tell you, that in the 1970's the Fiat 133 was for a while available here - the only Seat model officaly available in Poland before the 1989. I'm still looking for one in the film, but without any results unfortunately... Edit: My mistake, there was also a Seat 850 here. -- Last edit: 2010-10-22 22:09:27
CarChasesFanatic ◊ 2009-06-23 23:36	I'm sure you'll find one some day, there's ntohing we can't find on IMCDB
CarChasesFanatic ◊ 2009-06-23 23:50	-- Last edit: 2009-06-23 23:52:01
Weasel1984 ◊ 2009-06-23 23:53	OMG 1986/1987 in this case.
CarChasesFanatic ◊ 2009-06-23 23:54	There were others but i cannot find them now, but well, that proves there could be a chance to find them here
Weasel1984 ◊ 2009-06-24 00:01	It is really interesting. So also a pic from me - but it is rather a very old one (though younger than the car), I took it from the old car magazine "Motor" once. Judging by the blue Fiat/Zastava someone had a small collection of such vehicles. -- Last edit: 2018-04-12 14:03:39
CarChasesFanatic ◊ 2009-06-24 00:05	Nice! by the way i forgot to mention but i got that photo from the net, i didn't take it myself, sadly, if one day i see an FSO i'll hurry to take it a photo, it'll be quite a discovery
Weasel1984 ◊ 2009-06-24 00:13	carchasesfanatic wrote ... i'll hurry to take it a photo... Yes, better be carefull they are quite fast... Kowalski vanishing point. -- Last edit: 2009-06-24 00:15:29
CarChasesFanatic ◊ 2009-06-24 00:16
DynaMike ◊ 2009-06-24 11:43	Any Dafs in Poland? We had the FSO Polonez since 1979 (and the 125P was sold by Fiat importer since 1970...; I've got two Dutch brochures of these). You could find quite a lot of these, they were rather cheap. But it won't be easy to find one, nowadays.
Ingo ◊ 2009-06-24 12:52	The Polonez, and the 125p (the 126p anyways) were also sold in Western Germany, resp. rather offered than sold: there were many advertises for them in motor magazines from the 70ies, but not many cars on the road. Interesting, that -as I know- the Polonez was never officially available for GDR-citizens. Probably it was more attractive to earn real money on Western markets with them. btw: I've also found some Polski Fiat-advertises in British motor magazines from the 70ies.
chris40 ◊ 2009-06-24 14:52	ingo wrote btw: I've also found some Polski Fiat-advertises in British motor magazines from the 70ies. The 125p was sold in the UK from 1975 ... I was never tempted. -- Last edit: 2009-06-24 14:53:32
Ingo ◊ 2009-06-24 15:54	In Germany it was not different. If I just make an approximate overview of my collected motor magazines (I think, you guess, what's always included ) I can say, that FSO Polski Fiat was one of the most active advertise-customers; in nearly every issue from that years there is an ad from them. Yes, mainly b/w and in the back of the magazines, but at least in a bigger amount, than ads released by German car-makers. But this hadn't help either. A 125p or Polonez always had been rare exceptions. btw.: similar often I've found in German magazines advertises for the Austin 1800 Maxi and even the Morris Marina. With similar successless results for the BMC Cooperation. The Marina was much rarer than the Maxi over here. I cannot remember, that I've seen any one with German registration in that years.
Weasel1984 ◊ 2009-06-25 19:01	DynaMike wrote Any Dafs in Poland? ... I'm nearly sure that the "smaller ones" weren't avialable in any way, but it doesn't mean that there weren't a few of them (or at least one ) - today some collectors have some, but it doesn't count. Generally If you see some western car in the pre-1989 Polish film it doesn't necessary mean, that this particular type of vehicle was officially available here. Many of western cars were imported individually. In the late 1970's and 1980's they were usually brought, by people, who had opportunity to work abroad in the west of Europe. In the 1950's and 1960's there was such thing like "import marynarski" - the sailor import. Polish ships brought some used full-size American cars. However they were not necessary directly from the USA, but often from the... Benelux, so I guess that many of them was from the Dutch assembly plants. @Chris, exactly since 1974, as the pre-facelifted car was avialabe in Britain for a while. @Ingo, we know the number of 125p sold in the West Germany. It was 8864 cars (table at the bottom of the page - "RFN" -> http://piotrwiewiora.w.interia.pl/prod.html), indeed not so many like for the scale of the market. About the Polonez, I belive it was indeed more profitable to export them to the west for $$$, but not in case when they were exported ONLY/mainly to the west. With GDR (but also with other COMECON countries) our relationships became a bit more complicated after the events of the 1980 and following years (unstable politic situation, mass strikes, legalization of Solidarność - anticommunist opposition, on which "our" commies lost control at some point etc.). As I've heard in GDR even the travels to Poland became banned. Maybe that was another reason. -- Last edit: 2009-06-25 19:03:58
Ingo ◊ 2009-06-26 12:46	Weasel1984 wrote As I've heard in GDR even the travels to Poland became banned. Maybe that was another reason. Yes, this had happen, but there was no connection to the export/import of cars. These economy-things had been always in the hands of the government. GDR-citizens had no possibility at all to import cars on a private way, this was impossible (except a very few people, who had best relations to the highest Nomenklatura or who belonged to the Nomenklatura). The restrictions for GDR-citizens to travel to Poland were, that they had a passport and a visa to go there - as it was usual until 1990 to the other COMECON-countries, too, except Chechoslovakia. Only there the ID-cars was enough. And this has pissed off the GDR-people very much. It was one important reason for the revolution in 1989.
Ingo ◊ 2009-06-26 13:02	Weasel1984 wrote Many of western cars were imported individually. In the late 1970\'s and 1980\'s they were usually brought, by people, who had opportunity to work abroad in the west of Europe. A big reason, why the GDR-citizens had many ressentiments against the Polish people and were very jealous on them. This opinion you can see even today over there. The Polish could travel to Western countries, could earn money there -real Western money, not the worthless \"Alu-Chips\" (as the Mark der DDR was called) and could buy Western products, especially cars. This has really caused hate on Poland in the GDR... P.S.A little bit about this is written in the actual book "Viva Polonia" from Steffen Möller. Do you know it? Ther is a Polish edition, too. I didn't know, that the guy is so popular in Poland. -- Last edit: 2009-06-26 13:07:50
Ingo ◊ 2009-06-26 13:05	Weasel1984 wrote @Ingo, we know the number of 125p sold in the West Germany. It was 8864 cars (table at the bottom of the page - "RFN" -> http://piotrwiewiora.w.interia.pl/prod.html), indeed not so many like for the scale of the market. Thanks for the info - yes, 8864 cars was absolutely nothing. If I remember correctly, there were about 30 million cars registrated in West Germany in the 80ies.
Weasel1984 ◊ 2009-06-26 23:22	ingo wrote ... The restrictions for GDR-citizens to travel to Poland were, that they had a passport and a visa to go there - as it was usual until 1990 to the other COMECON-countries, too, except Chechoslovakia. Only there the ID-cars was enough... Well maybe it was easier than in GDR (to go to the "west"), but as far as I know it was also difficult in Poland, generally it became more common during the crisis in the 1980's, it also became simplier in this time. ingo wrote P.S. A little bit about this is written in the actual book "Viva Polonia" from Steffen Möller. Do you know it? Ther is a Polish edition, too. I didn't know, that the guy is so popular in Poland. I didn't read the book, but yes I know the guy, he became popular thanks to the TV show "Europa da się lubić" and later even had his own program and role in TV-series. However he dissapeared somwhere last time... The first thing, which comes to my mind when I hear about him is the sentence with which he started a lot of his statements: "In my city Wuppertal..." -- Last edit: 2009-06-26 23:28:53

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