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stronghold ◊ 2009-12-06 23:21	simca?
DynaMike ◊ 2009-12-06 23:55	At first glance it looks like one. But I'm not sure... Isn't it rather a late 60s Japanese wagon ? Datsun ?
58Roadmaster ◊ 2009-12-07 02:01	Can anyone familiar with San Francisco tell me if this is what we are seeing here: Earthquake_Photo
nzcarnerd ◊ 2009-12-07 09:36	With that nose-down attitude I would agree with Simca or maybe Renault. -- Last edit: 2009-12-07 09:36:27
Ingo ◊ 2009-12-07 09:46	58Roadmaster wrote Can anyone familiar with San Francisco tell me if this is what we are seeing here: Earthquake_Photo On this pic is a 1980+ VW Jetta I.
Ingo ◊ 2009-12-07 10:00	On the first view I thought about a Simca 1100, too. The back lamps could fit. Due the shape of the front it could be a Renault 6, too. But the R6 has different back lamps, the Simca 1100 Break, too.
DynaMike ◊ 2009-12-07 12:52	What about /vehicle_15645-Datsun-1300-Station-Wagon-1967.html ?
Pomtidom ◊ 2009-12-07 14:03	I would say DynaMike is right. Even the same colour!
an_unusual_eye ◊ 2010-05-14 19:18	this is not a Datsun. the rear bumper is wrong for a 411, and even for an earlier 410. the rear bumper would have to wrap forward a good 8" or so toward the front of the car for this to be a datsun, and this one seems to more or less be a flat bar. also, there isn't enough quarter panel behind the rear wheel, and the whole "nose toward the ground" thing is "un-datsun". REALLY looks like something French to me...
Ingo ◊ 2010-05-14 19:56	But were there ever Simca 1100 Break (for me this comes as closest) in the USA? We've found a handfull of US-1100 here, but always the Hatchback, never the Wagon... Or Renault 6?? -- Last edit: 2010-05-14 19:58:34
an_unusual_eye ◊ 2010-05-14 22:16	there were a few simca 1204 wagons sold in the U.S. (which i think was the same vehicle as the 1100 break elsewhere), and there were some renault 4/Quatrelle/6 models sold here as well. all were pretty uncommon, but so was the datsun 411, and obviously whatever this is was rather out of the ordinary itself... that downward nose and the lack of rear overhang... i really tried to make this sink into my mind as a datsun - especially since almost every 411 station wagon imported to the USA seemed to be about this color - but i can't make it fit.
Ingo ◊ 2010-05-14 22:33	Yes, it was the same car, the Simca 1100 in Europe (except Spain, where it was a Simca 1200) and the Simca 1204 for the US-market. I guess, the name "1204" was not possible in Europe, as it was "blocked" by the company Glas for their car.
an_unusual_eye ◊ 2010-05-14 23:01	- i can make it look like either a simca or a renault depending on which way i look at it... though i would lean toward the Renault if i had to chose.
Ingo ◊ 2010-05-14 23:08	The back lamps are irritating - they are looking like from a later (1973+) Simca 1100 Hatchback , but the whole shape of the body looks rather like a 1100 Break or a Renault 6 - but these two models had other, smaller and vertical back lamps.. What's up with the colour? I remember more Simca in this brown/brownmetallic than Renault 6
DynaMike ◊ 2010-05-14 23:11	It is by no ways a Simca or a Rernault.
an_unusual_eye ◊ 2010-05-14 23:19	what can it be then, that has the rear wheels so close to the back of the car, and a nearly flat rear bumper..? and the stance - very specific. i really feel as though i should know what this is without a second thought.
an_unusual_eye ◊ 2010-05-16 02:42	losing sleep over this one.
G-MANN ◊ 2010-05-16 02:48	Is that even worth listing?
an_unusual_eye ◊ 2010-05-16 03:24	probably not. sure do wish i could figure out what it is though.
Ingo ◊ 2010-05-16 11:32	G-MANN wrote Is that even worth listing? Isn't it an essence of being active at IMCDB - identifying cars in movies? And aren't random background cars, especially rare ones, more interesting than some "five star"-cars, which are visible in the whole movie? The discussion, we have right here, is interesting, too - and kind of nerdic, too Normally you cannot tell this to other people (not to the own wife, too), what happens here. Several guys from around the world are discussing for days about a tiny background car in an old movie... But exactly this is, what I like at IMCDB. -- Last edit: 2010-05-16 11:33:25
an_unusual_eye ◊ 2010-05-16 14:12	@ingo i completely agree, and greatly appreciate the use of the term "nerdic", as does MY wife... now... what in the world is this awkward little somewhat angry looking box with wheels that shares the screen with such beauties as the white cadillac and the healey... so that i may possibly get some peaceful sleep.
chris40 ◊ 2010-05-16 14:32	Just a thought ... Citroën Ami 6’s were imported into the USA between 1963-8 ... including some Breaks
Ingo ◊ 2010-05-16 17:51	an_unusual_eye wrote @ingo now... what in the world is this awkward little somewhat angry looking box with wheels that shares the screen with such beauties as the white cadillac and the healey... so that i may possibly get some peaceful sleep. These "awkward little boxes" are much more interesting -here at IMCDB, as in the real world, too- because they are extreme rare, whilst 50ies Caddies and Healey's and other British roadsters are boring mass-products. If my opinion sound strange, I have to add, that I'm a classic car-fan and I'm often visiting oldtimer-events, spare-part-markets, meetings and so on. And old US-cars, British roadsters, but much more classic Mercedes Convertibles, Porsches and so on are everywhere in masses - it's so incredible boooring! No kidding, I've heard sometimes, not ony once, from organizators of open-for-all-brands-oldtimer-meetings and -rallyes "We have to have look, that we're not overfilled with Pagoda'a, 911's and Big Healey's. It makes everything so boring. A friend of mine really was asked by one organizator's guy: "Hey, I have urgently to kick out some Pagoda's and Porsche's, there are too many in our list. Can't you pick up some Opel's and NSU's? Renault's or Peugeot's would be great, too, Japanese classic really great"
DynaMike ◊ 2010-05-16 18:02	chris40 wrote Just a thought ... Citroën Ami 6’s were imported into the USA between 1963-8 ... including some Breaks The stance would fit, but not the horizontal taillights and especially not the open rear wheel arches
antp ◊ 2010-05-17 18:15	ingo wrote Isn't it an essence of being active at IMCDB - identifying cars in movies? And aren't random background cars, especially rare ones, more interesting than some "five star"-cars, which are visible in the whole movie? Aw crap, not this discussion again... [insert here what I previously said lots of time before] Disclaimer: Those who want to list any background and/or who likes to discuss endlessly on off-topic subjets in the comments on the site can't later complain when we encounter database problems like early this year
Ingo ◊ 2010-05-17 19:32	Eeeeh, you don't want to point out seriously, that our rarely made, part-time-off-topic-discussions have caused the database-problems..
antp ◊ 2010-05-17 21:08	They contribute
G-MANN ◊ 2010-05-18 13:22	Yes, we'll skip that old debate this time (because some people never listen properly) When I saw an unusual eye's "losing sleep over this one" comment, I just thought people seemed to be spending a lot of effort trying to identity something that appears so small (and low definition) in the image and was it worth it? ingo wrote Normally you cannot tell this to other people (not to the own wife, too), what happens here. Several guys from around the world are discussing for days about a tiny background car in an old movie... I know what you mean! I don't know how much space these text discussions take up but I think antp would rather we used the forum for this, but personally I hardly ever go on the forum these days. -- Last edit: 2010-05-18 13:29:41
Ingo ◊ 2010-05-18 21:31	G-MANN wrote I know what you mean! I don't know how much space these text discussions take up but I think antp would rather we used the forum for this, but personally I hardly ever go on the forum these days. I think, we can write pages over pages with (off-topic ) comments, before we'll fill up the same space as a pic with a topless girl needs -- Last edit: 2010-05-18 21:31:33
tom11 ◊ 2012-04-14 02:58	I think its worth listing, stuff like this is rare in the US On the subject of what the car is: I think its a Simca 1204/1100 wagon, with the taillights of a Simca 1202 hatchback. My explanation for this is because Simcas were not exactly ''Common'' cars here in the US. So this was probably a 1204/1100 station wagon that got rear-ended or something, so the taillights got broken, and the owner couldn't find replacement taillights for it (Due to the wagon version being rather rare) so he used the taillights of the hatchback version for replacements. Comments?
BrentMosher420 ◊ 2015-05-20 11:40	Renault 6 was my initial guess, but was the 6 even sold in the US? I've attempted to search for US examples, and so far have been unsuccessful...
dsl ◊ 2015-05-20 14:04	I don't see this as Renault 6. I was tempted by Ami 6 estate, but agree with Dynamike about wrong lights and rear arches. But wrong rear lights also excludes Simca 1100 estate although everything else looks good. Normal 1100 hatch matches everything except the apparent rear cabin shape - seems very clear there is a third side window so it is an estate of some sort and not a hatch. So it comes back in full circle ....
-- ◊ 2015-05-20 14:22	Isn't it just a Datsun 411? Most were in this color: /vehicles_make-Datsun_model-411+Station+Wagon.html -- Last edit: 2015-05-20 14:24:14
BrentMosher420 ◊ 2015-05-20 14:42	kegare wrote Isn't it just a Datsun 411? Most were in this color: /vehicles_make-Datsun_model-411+Station+Wagon.html The shape of the body is wrong. For me the car in question looks very French...
-- ◊ 2015-05-20 18:04	It does not seem like a French vehicle to me. Closest I know is Peugeot 304 Station Wagon which was imported to the US 1971/1972 and the bumper and lights are no match. In my opinion it is the Datsun. -- Last edit: 2015-05-20 18:15:39
dsl ◊ 2015-05-20 18:49	I won't argue against Datsun 411.
BrentMosher420 ◊ 2015-05-21 12:37	an_unusual_eye wrote this is not a Datsun. the rear bumper is wrong for a 411, and even for an earlier 410. the rear bumper would have to wrap forward a good 8" or so toward the front of the car for this to be a datsun, and this one seems to more or less be a flat bar. also, there isn't enough quarter panel behind the rear wheel, and the whole "nose toward the ground" thing is "un-datsun". REALLY looks like something French to me... For those reasons, it's definitely not a Datsun...
BrentMosher420 ◊ 2015-05-22 04:37	Also, no one answered my question; was the Renault 6 sold in the US or not?
Baube ◊ 2015-05-22 05:05	don't know..but looks like it could happen http://images.forum-auto.com/mesimages/241781/RenaultadventimeUSA1.jpg Link to "img.over-blog-kiwi.com" http://images.forum-auto.com/mesimages/241781/1d46f59977.jpg http://images.forum-auto.com/mesimages/241781/CLIOV6.jpg the black Clio has a manufacturer plate so it might be there " as a guest " but the others..... -- Last edit: 2015-05-22 05:07:45
Baube ◊ 2015-05-22 05:40	BrentMosher420 wrote Also, no one answered my question; was the Renault 6 sold in the US or not? tried for the last half-hour to find something about Renault 6 being sold in USA and couldn't find nothing except " During the 1950s, Renault began selling its vehicles in the United States, with some success. The Dauphine, which was the successor to the 4CV, sold well in the U.S. In fact, in 1959 more Dauphines than VW Beetles were sold in the U.S., according to Renault. But the car soon became dated, prompting Renault to introduce two new vehicles: Renault debuted the five-door, four-wheel-drive Renault 4 in 1961, and a year later, the automaker unveiled the Renault 8, which was the first automobile with four disc brakes. In an effort to upgrade its image, Renault introduced a more upscale "estate" hatchback, the Renault 16, in 1966. Other signicant cars introduced during the 1970s included the Renault 15 and 17 coupes, the upscale Renault 20 and 30, and smaller cars like the Renault 12 and 5. " from http://www.cargurus.com/Cars/Renault-Overview-m106 tried in english as well as in french but seems like the 6 did not crossed the Atlantic ( except for Saint-Pierre-et-Miquelon probably )
night cub ◊ 2015-05-22 06:47	BrentMosher420 wrote Also, no one answered my question; was the Renault 6 sold in the US or not? No, the 6 was not officially imported to the US. -- Last edit: 2015-05-22 06:47:47
BrentMosher420 ◊ 2015-05-22 09:31	an_unusual_eye wrote and there were some renault 4/Quatrelle/6 models sold here as well. If the 6 wasn't sold here, than what is an unusual eye talking about?
dsl ◊ 2015-05-22 12:44	I'd be very surprised if 6 was officially sold in US, but less surprised if it went to CDN. 6 was launched Sept 69, and US context from 1968 was dominated by introduction of increasingly severe emissions and safety regulations until mid-70s and beyond. Many European small cars just stopped sales in US at that point, and never returned. Apart from Honda 600, I can't think of any small survivors (under 1000cc) in US market. CDN did not impose such severe regulations so small cars sold there for much longer, although they did impose big bumper regulations there from 73/74 which led to many withdrawn makes/models after 1975.
BrentMosher420 ◊ 2015-05-23 05:50	I think I've found it; Renault 16 https://www.flickr.com/photos/21532948@N04/2682621320/ Same size, same shape, same 3rd side window, taillights in the same location, and rear wheel arch is definitely the same... About the only noticeable difference is the the bumper, but that may have been different on US-spec models. Either way, I think we've found a match!
DidierF ◊ 2015-05-23 13:19	It's not a R16. (Actually, "R16" is the worst of all propositions made for this one.) At first glance, I took it for a Simca 1100 Break but after a while and comparisons, I'll walk the way of DynaMike and Kegare: Datsun wagon.
BrentMosher420 ◊ 2015-05-23 14:54	DidierF wrote It's not a R16. (Actually, "R16" is the worst of all propositions made for this one.) At first glance, I took it for a Simca 1100 Break but after a while and comparisons, I'll walk the way of DynaMike and Kegare: Datsun wagon. an unusual eye has a very good argument as to why this is NOT a Datsun... Also, in what way does R12 not fit?
-- ◊ 2015-05-23 14:56	I wish I could find the episode on the net to provide additional/better captures to prove it's a Datsun but unfortunately it lacks the episode number here and I can't find the scene on the net yet. It is definitely no Renault. 16 is a hatchback and if you've seen it in real life, it looks nowhere close to this car's shape which is definitely a wagon. -- Last edit: 2015-05-23 14:59:39
Baube ◊ 2015-05-23 15:06	i agree with kegare. i saw one in real life last year ( had to look on internet to know what i just saw ) and its not a Renault 16
dsl ◊ 2015-05-24 01:04	Whatever it is needs horizontal tail-lights low down in line with the number plate. That rules out eg Renault 12 Estate, Simca 1100 Estate, Peugeot 304 estate, Fiat 124/128 estates, anything UK etc which have lights beside the tailgate in triangularish and/or vertical shapes. Renault 16 had horizontals, but higher up and with a shiny trim line above number plate. Normal Simca 1100 hatch and Datsun 411 have horizontal tail-lights low down in line with the number plate.
BrentMosher420 ◊ 2015-05-24 01:37	dsl wrote Whatever it is needs horizontal tail-lights low down in line with the number plate. That rules out eg Renault 12 Estate, Simca 1100 Estate, Peugeot 304 estate, Fiat 124/128 estates, anything UK etc which have lights beside the tailgate in triangularish and/or vertical shapes. Renault 16 had horizontals, but higher up and with a shiny trim line above number plate. Normal Simca 1100 hatch and Datsun 411 have horizontal tail-lights low down in line with the number plate. I agree that 411 is a good match for the taillights, but the front fender isn't square enough, it doesn't have enough rear overhang, and the bumper lacks overriders... I agree now that R16 was a poor guess on my part, but 411 isn't exactly a dead-on match either...
dsl ◊ 2015-05-24 01:41	Talking of 411, I also checked VW 411 Variant as the only other thing I could think of with low horizontal lights, but plate on that is above the lights on tailgate.
BrentMosher420 ◊ 2015-07-10 08:00	kegare wrote I wish I could find the episode on the net to provide additional/better captures to prove it's a Datsun but unfortunately it lacks the episode number here and I can't find the scene on the net yet. It's from the first episode of the show; "Once Upon a Dead Man", which was on YouTube about a month ago and in better quality IIRC. So go ahead, "prove" it's a Datsun. I'm still not buying for the time being. Keep in mind that I'm not implying I know what it is, only that it looks very non-Datsun to me. The color, taillight location, and size may match, but the rest looks all wrong from the current main image.
Sandie ◊ 2015-07-10 14:56	Only a bit clearer: https://youtu.be/fnGNqDF8kWc?t=33m15s -- Last edit: 2015-07-10 14:59:16
-- ◊ 2015-07-19 01:23	BrentMosher420 wrote It's from the first episode of the show; "Once Upon a Dead Man", which was on YouTube about a month ago and in better quality IIRC. So go ahead, "prove" it's a Datsun. I'm still not buying for the time being. Keep in mind that I'm not implying I know what it is, only that it looks very non-Datsun to me. The color, taillight location, and size may match, but the rest looks all wrong from the current main image. There's not much else visible, sadly.
BrentMosher420 ◊ 2016-03-04 12:56	Is this show available in HD? That might settle the identification once and for all...

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Datsun 411 [PL411]

Datsun 411 [PL411] in McMillan & Wife, TV Series, 1971-1977 Ep. 1.00

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