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1972 Toyota Mark II Coupé 2000 [RX12]

1972 Toyota Mark II Coupé [RX12] in Le protecteur, Movie, 1973 IMDB

Class: Cars, Coupé — Model origin: JP — Made for: F

1972 Toyota Mark II Coupé 2000 [RX12]

[*][*][*][*] Vehicle used a lot by a main character or for a long time

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Bebert FR

◊ 2006-04-09 16:09

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DIEHARD NL

◊ 2006-04-09 16:16

 Datsun

DAF555 SE

◊ 2006-04-09 16:27

 Toyota Corona Mark II Hard Top

The sedan is a Toyota 2000

Bebert FR

◊ 2006-04-09 16:44

 C'est sensé être le même véhicule, mais j'avais un doute. Ce sont donc bien deux voitures différentes?

antp BE

◊ 2006-04-09 16:45

 Bah elles n'ont pas le même nombre de portes... Ou alors je vois mal :D

antp BE

◊ 2006-04-10 12:54

 So only the coupé is left on this page, is it Corona Mark II like the sedan?

Junkman UK

◊ 2006-04-10 15:13

 It is a Toyota Mark II Coupe. It was called 'Cressida' in some export markets. The Corona was a smaller car.

Jun JP

◊ 2006-04-10 16:20

 This second generation model was introduced in Jan 1972.
At the same time Toyota changed the 'Corona MarkII' name to the 'MarkII' officially, but Toyota still used 'Corona MarkII' on the emblem & in the market. Two names were vaguely used at the same time.
(In Japan, name of 'Corona MarkII' was partly used till 1984)

If according to the Toyota's official paper, this car is Toyota Mark II...

-- Last edit: 2006-04-10 16:22:19

Bebert FR

◊ 2006-04-10 16:30

 Thank's Jun. :king: And what do you think about this one: /vehicle_28807-Toyota-Corona-Mark-II-RX12-1972.html

Jun JP

◊ 2006-04-10 17:08
Bebert wrote what do you think about this one: /vehicle_28807-Toyota-Corona-Mark-II-RX12-1972.html

I think it's sedan model of 'Toyota MarkII' (bold letter please :D ) officially.
(this confusion is a cause that Toyota vaguely used two names :mad: )

Jun JP

◊ 2006-04-10 17:43

 We already listed these...
(name in the market & official name, still I wonder which is suitable...)

/vehicle_23890-Toyota-Corona-Mark-II-1972.html
/vehicle_21372-Toyopet-Corona-MarkII-1972.html

antp BE

◊ 2006-04-10 18:14

 So this one is a Corona Mark II Coupe, where the other is just Corona Mark II ?
Would it be better to remove Corona in all these names ? Or only for this precise car ?
I am lost :D

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Bebert FR

◊ 2006-04-10 21:10
antp wrote I am lost :D

Bon, je vais essayer de te résumer ce que moi j'ai compris.
A priori, on a deux voitures différentes.
-un coupé
-une berline
Elles ont le même nom:
-Toyota "Corona MarkII"
ou
-Toyota "MarkII"
en fonction de l'époque de production.
Reste à décider, si j'ai bien compris, comment on les nomme. :D

antp BE

◊ 2006-04-10 21:20
Bebert wrote
Reste à décider, si j'ai bien compris, comment on les nomme. :D


Ouais mais donc on n'est pas vraiment plus avancé :lol:

Bebert FR

◊ 2006-04-10 21:31

 Si, quand même. Dans un post plus haut, Jun nous dit qu'en même temps que le début de la deuxième génération (1972) Toyota les a "officiellement" renommée "MKII", mais que le nom "Corona MarkII" a perduré jusqu'en 1984. Donc à partir de 72 => seulement MKII. Non ?

antp BE

◊ 2006-04-10 21:43

 Ouais mais il avait l'air de dire que le nom "Corona" était fort utilisé bien que non repris par Toyota... donc faut voir ce qu'on prend comme nom...

DAF555 SE

◊ 2006-04-10 21:52

 For the swedish market the sedan sold as just Toyota 2000 for 73-74, but probably they were badged with Corona Mark II on the fenders like the finnish cars. I don´t remember, we didn´t have many of them here. From 75 the Corona name is back even in the registration documents.

jplemoine FR

◊ 2006-04-10 22:42

 Bon... ça devient un peu casse-tête, tout ça. On essaie de respirer un coup, de déboucher une bonne bouteille (St Joseph 2003 avec un Saint-Félicien de derrière les fagots) et je me replonge dans mes vieux grimoires possiéreux.
Et après avoir chassé deux trois araignées et une chauve-souris, qu'est-ce que je retrouve? Auto-Hebdo Spécial Salon 1973. Miracle: les pages TOYOTA sont encore présentes et disent: Corona pour les 1600, 1700 et 2000. Et aussi pour les MK II, en page 133... Pleine page 135, essai de la Toyota 2000 MK II Coupé (celle de la photo) sans l'appellation "Corona"... Va comprendre, Charles... :think:

sixcyl FR

◊ 2006-04-11 01:18
jplemoine wrote Bon... ça devient un peu casse-tête, tout ça. On essaie de respirer un coup, de déboucher une bonne bouteille (St Joseph 2003 avec un Saint-Félicien de derrière les fagots) et je me replonge dans mes vieux grimoires possiéreux....

:beer: JJJJjP...me suis inspiré de toi JP... et j'ai tROOOuv'hips! ... en fait, 'cout moi bien... en fait ,z't une "Toyota 33 export Marque inconn'hips coupée Kronembourg" hips... bon vais me coucher, ciao

Jun JP

◊ 2006-04-11 15:27

 I'm sorry I can't tell the detailed explanation. (due to my poor language ability :D )
[about the change in Corona and Corona mark II

1. Toyota wanted to erase the evaluation of the market, "Corona MarkII is only a little expensive Corona".
2. They changed the 'Corona MarkII' name to the 'MarkII' in 1972.
3. But they thought that it was undesirable to switch the name rapidly. (they afraid the number of customers decreases)
4. So the two names were concurrently used. Broche, official paper & news release says 'MarkII' but emblem, some dealer & customer says 'Corona MarkII'. They switched the name little by little.

The deletion of Toyopet was concurrently executed in Japan and some countries.

Jun JP

◊ 2006-04-11 15:27
jplemoine wrote Pleine page 135, essai de la Toyota 2000 MK II Coupé (celle de la photo) sans l'appellation "Corona"...

Thank you, and I'll change my mind.
It was filmed in Spain and France, and French book says it 'Toyota 2000 MK II Coupé'

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antp BE

◊ 2006-04-11 17:55

 Same for the Sedan version on the other page I guess, since it had a "2000" label on the front ?

jplemoine FR

◊ 2006-04-11 18:18

 Same for the Sedan, p.133...

Exiv96 BE

◊ 2016-11-17 12:11

 I know I'm unearthing a ten year old conversation, but here goes.

jplemoine wrote
Et après avoir chassé deux trois araignées et une chauve-souris, qu'est-ce que je retrouve? Auto-Hebdo Spécial Salon 1973. Miracle: les pages TOYOTA sont encore présentes et disent: Corona pour les 1600, 1700 et 2000. Et aussi pour les MK II, en page 133... Pleine page 135, essai de la Toyota 2000 MK II Coupé (celle de la photo) sans l'appellation "Corona"... Va comprendre, Charles... :think:


Plutôt Auto Journal ou Automobile Magazine. Auto Hebdo n'existait pas encore en 1973.

Jun wrote
Thank you, and I'll change my mind.
It was filmed in Spain and France, and French book says it 'Toyota 2000 MK II Coupé'


I wouldn't trust 100% what french car magazines printed, especially those from decades ago. The French press, and probably the man on the streets, had a tendency to classify cars by their fiscal HP rating, or their engine capacity, the latter being also valid for bikes. So I wouldn't be surprised if the local mags simplified the Mark II's name into "Toyota 2000", just like a Honda CBX often became a "Honda 1000", because that's more palatable for the masses.

I wouldn't even be surprised if the french Toyota importer cared about that. I mean, twenty years later, the Lexus LS400 was bafflingly called "Toyota Lexus" by french journos, despite Toyota's global efforts to market Lexus as a distinct brand. And that went on for a couple of years, until the GS300 appeared on the french market and they finally realised there was a whole separate Lexus range.

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jplemoine FR

◊ 2016-12-26 17:24
Exiv96 wrote I know I'm unearthing a ten year old conversation, but here goes.



Plutôt Auto Journal ou Automobile Magazine. Auto Hebdo n'existait pas encore en 1973.

Ben... Si. Je confirme...

I wouldn't trust 100% what french car magazines printed, especially those from decades ago. The French press, and probably the man on the streets, had a tendency to classify cars by their fiscal HP rating, or their engine capacity, the latter being also valid for bikes. So I wouldn't be surprised if the local mags simplified the Mark II's name into "Toyota 2000", just like a Honda CBX often became a "Honda 1000", because that's more palatable for the masses (mansplaining is nothing new).

I wouldn't even be surprised if the french Toyota importer cared about that. I mean, twenty years later, the Lexus LS400 was bafflingly called "Toyota Lexus" by french journos, despite Toyota's global efforts to market Lexus as a distinct brand. And that went on for a couple of years, until the GS300 appeared on the french market and they finally realised there was a whole separate Lexus range.

Exiv96 BE

◊ 2017-09-04 10:00
jplemoine wrote Ben... Si. Je confirme...


Ahem...

Link to "www.autonewsinfo.com"

Lancé en février 1976. Et l'AH ne faisait pas de numéros "spacial salon", vu l'angle "compétition" très marqué du magazine.

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