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Weasel1984 ◊ 2011-01-16 21:25	Somehow, I do not think it is really an OBRSO FSO conversion, like some sources claim. The car had white plates in smaller format than Polish temporary ones - so they had to be from Vatican. Once I read article, there was name of some Italian coach builder, but can't find it now. Same car, today at the museum in Niepokalanów, close to Warsaw: Link to "www.e-sochaczew.pl"
DynaMike ◊ 2011-01-17 13:26	It was a coachbuilt version by Fissore. I solved this one in http://www.autopuzzles.com/forum/index.php?topic=5414.0 , but now I cannot find any information about it anymore...
Weasel1984 ◊ 2011-01-17 15:16	Very good! Well here is something: http://www.coup.nl/fiat130/fiatspecials.html Or is it you again? xD
DynaMike ◊ 2011-01-17 17:10	That's the site indeed where I found my answer for autopuzzles. Thanks for retracing it, Michał
Ingo ◊ 2011-01-17 17:22	"made for V" ?
Weasel1984 ◊ 2011-01-17 20:17	IMO this sign should be used only to cars made for specific market, I mean in bigger numbers and not to single vehicles built for Pope or some other head of the country.
Ingo ◊ 2011-01-17 20:19	Does anyone else than the Pope have used it? Is it still alive? I vote for "made for V" also for the reason, that on the link is visible, tht it got the plate S.C.V.1, too.
Weasel1984 ◊ 2011-01-17 20:22	It is, see the link in my first comment (under the thumb). It has some problems with engine, as I've heard. Romours say it was not used since this time by anyone - went directly to museum. I'm also curious, why this car stayed here and didn't back to Vatican... But SCV 1 is just a reg. number, or not? -- Last edit: 2011-01-17 20:24:14
Ingo ◊ 2011-01-17 20:41	Yes, S.C.V.1 is always used for the Pope's main "business" cars, not only for one specific car. As the rumours in the plate-collector's-scene saying, there are minimum three different sets of it. All Vatican-plates are Holy Grails for some collectors, because verys had to get, never really officially (similar as the Italian ones), recently one pair was sold for 1800 € or so at eBay (nearly the double time than the other "most wanted" plates from Tristan da Cunha). Personally I dislike Vatican-plates for one reason In 2009 such a plate, presented by a German collector, won the "Plate of the Year" prize at the collecor's meeting - and not the "Holy Grail" for Germany-collectors (which I randomly have discovered), although it was the (as I know) most expensivest post-war German plates until now.
Weasel1984 ◊ 2011-01-17 20:45	Perhaps those from Vatican were less rusted. And what combination it is?
Lateef ◊ 2011-01-17 20:50	Are these plates rare because they're a reference to Nazi Germany (Sturmabteilung)?
Ingo ◊ 2011-01-17 21:13	From Stade, nearby Hamburg. It was issued only for three weeks in July 1956 and only for ca.630 vehicles, when the new and stil actual German system was released. Stade should get "SD", but the local people didn't want to have it, because of the meaning of the abbreviation "SD" in the Nazi-times. So they choose unauthorized (by the traffic-ministery) the "ST". But this was not allowed - in the 50ies the West German government still had the unification in the 1937' borderlines in the back-mind. "ST" was reserved for Stettin (Szczecin)... So after three weeks they were forced to get "STD". 19 years later, in 1975, the political climate has changed, so it was no problem then to take "ST" for Steinfurt. Of such "Stade-ST" there were only three photos known in the collector's-scene and no existing plate. So really clouded in secrecy as the real Holy Grail The story, how we got it, is a real story. It happened in the absolute publicness - at the 2009 "Techno Classica" in Essen (165.000 classic car fans had been there). I had only a few hours time and ran through the halls in the hour before opening to make photos. For the plate-fans AND FOR IMCDB-MEMBERS, TOO! So, I photographed this, too: Only because of the thought "Oh iron-plates. High Hyphen. Old. 1950ies", not more. 36 hours later, at the late evening, heavily full and slightly drunk after a barbeceue-party at my parents-in-law, and ready for a visit of annother plate-collector's-meeting next day (after 16 years(!)the first time again...) I thought "Let's shortly load the pics from the camera on the PC, a copy is safer". And then I suddenly got the shocking smash OH MY GOD! WHAT THE FUCKING HELL I HAVE PHOTOGRAPHED!?! WAAAAH!!! -- Last edit: 2011-01-17 21:18:21
Ingo ◊ 2011-01-17 21:19	Weasel1984 wrote Perhaps those from Vatican were less rusted. Mmmhh, they don't rust, Italian plates (same make) neither, because they are made from plastic, rarely aluminium. -- Last edit: 2011-01-17 21:32:52
DynaMike ◊ 2011-01-17 23:35	In Michał's dutch link they say: "Fissore bouwde een pausmobiel op basis van de Fiat 130, speciaal voor de reis van Paus Johannes Paulus II door Polen." (=Fissore built a popemobile based on the Fiat 130, especially for Popes Paul John II through Poland", so that would explain why it stayed in PL, not in SCV.
dsl ◊ 2011-01-17 23:37	Did Fissore use an Italian 130 or one of the Polish-build cars??
Weasel1984 ◊ 2011-01-18 00:02	Italian. Polish one was Italian too. Just few details were added/replaced in Poland most probably. In fact small number of them was "assembled" and none really know how it really was. They planned bigger numbers, but finally they assembled only very few in 1974 for use of the nomenclature. Except the cars with PF badge, there was in Poland also some, hard to tell, number of Italian badged cars (also in private hands). DynaMike wrote Fissore built a popemobile based on the Fiat 130, especially for Popes Paul John II through Poland", so that would explain why it stayed in PL, not in SCV. Still interestign why, this way and why not used any more later, during next Pope visits (so serious breakdown?)...
antp ◊ 2011-01-18 17:40	Weasel1984 wrote IMO this sign should be used only to cars made for specific market, I mean in bigger numbers and not to single vehicles built for Pope or some other head of the country. OK, it is made for the country and not for the country market, but there won't be other cases when we can use the "made for V" so why not? -- Last edit: 2011-01-18 17:40:25
dsl ◊ 2011-01-18 19:29	But it stayed in Poland as far as we know. As with /vehicle.php?id=367365, "made for V" only makes sense if it went to "V". Being "made for famous inhabitant of V when he went on holiday" is not quite enough.
Weasel1984 ◊ 2011-01-18 23:25	Perhaps was made for V originally, if we want to look at this, this way, as was there registered...
dsl ◊ 2011-01-18 23:50	Further thoughts. I suppose "Made for V" or not does not really matter, as antp says - we can be strict, but it makes little difference. The real question is how do we classify popemobiles, so that they would all show up in an obvious search attempt, so that for instance a new imcdb visitor could find them easily? We could have a popemobile class, but perhaps more useful would be a new class for heads of state/royalty vehicles. I think the key is that they have to be special build coachwork of some sort (popemobiles, US president limos, Italian presidential Lancias, UK royal RRs and Bentleys, French Citroens etc) to qualify. So I'd exclude African Merc 600s, UK prime minister Jags and Rovers etc. Or it might be simpler - less arguments - just to say any car used by head-of-state/royalty is included.
Weasel1984 ◊ 2011-01-19 19:25	I support this idea. No idea how to call this new category, but it would be interesting.
Sandie ◊ 2011-01-19 19:33	As an aside a category for amphibious cars might be useful too though it is not the kind of thing that comes up everyday.
Weasel1984 ◊ 2014-03-12 15:52	Released today in the Polish DeA magazine collection scale model: Simplified, but easy to customization and has to be the first scale model of this car.
ElSaxo ◊ 2014-03-12 16:05	Not long ago Deagostini used to sell quality scale models at a lower price... What a shame.
Weasel1984 ◊ 2014-03-12 16:14	They are of mixed quality, some are more/some less detailed. Some are very good, some really crappy. This one at least has good proportions so details won't be hard to add.

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