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1909 Fafnir Type 284

1909 Fafnir Type 284 in Those Magnificent Men in Their Flying Machines, Movie, 1965

Class: Cars, Convertible — Model origin:

1909 Fafnir Type 284

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Author	Message
vilero ◊ 2012-03-09 13:05
Gamer ◊ 2019-07-08 19:39	Quite a striking color for a car of this age! Now if only I could read the second digit of the plate...
Gamer ◊ 2020-03-11 17:58	Possibly CD 7312?
Fafnir ◊ 2020-07-22 16:50	This car is a Fafnir,produced in Aachen (Aix la Chapelle) in 1910 or 1911, depending on the sources . I'm quite sure, it's a Type 394 (built between 1910 and 1914), maybe a 384, but the other types built during this time by Fafnir were smaller. The car belonged to Col. Clutton and was one of the first cars in the VSSC.
s13a ◊ 2020-07-22 16:57	Number plate LB 7312 on DVLA comes back as: Vehicle make: FAFNIR Date of first registration: February 1921 Year of manufacture: 1921 Cylinder capacity: 2107 cc Vehicle colour: PURPLE -- Last edit: 2020-07-22 17:08:34
s13a ◊ 2020-07-22 17:02	@Fafnir, I was wondering for quite some time what it was, but I could never reach an answer. Based on your username, are you in some ways connected to the automaker?
Fafnir ◊ 2022-10-18 08:58	@ s13a: Long time ago, but finally I read your comment. The date of first registration, you wrote must be wrong: I think it must be around 1910...1911. Depending on my information about this car, it should be a Type 284. Excluding the omnimobile, this double phaeton is probably the oldest of around 11 surviving Fafnir. Since first registration in the UK and still drivable. Col. Clutton purchased the car in 1927 with over 100,000 miles on the clock. The car is one of the first cars to race in the VSCC (Vintage Sports Car Club) established in 1934. In old newspaper articles the type and power differ, but the note "(...)of just over 2,000 c.c." in the VSCC-CLUB NEWS from September 1936 occupy the type 284. Probable year of manufacture 1909/1910. I´m connected to Fafnir, as I live in the Aachen-area and as a student I worked in the old Fafnir building. Since a couple of years I collect any information about the automaker, I can get. This picture shows the same car before the color was changed:
dsl ◊ 2022-10-18 16:30	UK plates before 1921 can throw up some strange dates - 1921 was the first year that they started building a central consistent database, so many records incorrectly adopt that year. LB 7312 was a London plate, issued after March 1908, and possibly before May 1909, when next series (LD) started - they'd already used LC back in 1905.
Fafnir ◊ 2022-10-19 12:47	@ dsl: That´s a very interesting information! Thanks a lot for that! So this should be one of the very first Fafnir, as they started building complete cars in late 1908. Quite sure, this must be a 1909 Type 284. On the photo (from a 1930s newspaper) you can see this Fafnir at the front of the row.
dsl ◊ 2022-10-19 14:08	LB 7312 currently listed on DVLA as ✓ Taxed Tax due: 1 April 2023 Date of last V5C (logbook) issued 20 April 2015 (which usually means change of owner) MOT history (no longer a legal requirement for very old things but sometimes interesting info) MOT expired on 8 August 2012 Date tested 9 August 2011 PASS Mileage 9,942 miles (mileage for 2006 test was 9,851) Intriguing that so soon after starting to build complete cars they were exporting and selling in UK. Was RHD build normal??
Fafnir ◊ 2022-10-19 14:45	Thanks again! RHD was normal. All Fafnir cars were RHD. Fafnir had dealers in the UK before, as they sold engines and vehicle components since around 1900. The oldest ad for those engines in the UK in my collection is by dealer G. Straus in London. Before World War One Fafnir was one of the most poular suppliers of engines for cycles, tricycles and small cars. Only in the UK, there were more than 50 (!) brands using Fafnir-engines for their vehicles. So there was an existing dealer network and the products had an excellent reputation. -- Last edit: 2022-10-19 14:49:21
johnfromstaffs ◊ 2022-10-19 16:21	Is there a connection with the Fafnir Bearing Company?
Fafnir ◊ 2022-10-20 06:53	@ Johnfromstaffs: No, there is no connection to the Fafnir Bearing Company.
johnfromstaffs ◊ 2022-10-20 09:18	^ Thanks. I see that they were bought into the Timken empire.

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