Advertising 1958 Moskvitch 407 Class: Cars, Sedan — Model origin: 
01:01:08 ![[*]](/res/star.png){kind=small}
Vehicle used by a character or in a car chase
Comments about this vehicle| Author | Message |
|---|---|
|
◊ 2006-09-19 14:45 |
Moskvitch 407 |
|
◊ 2006-09-19 14:47 |
And Soviet Union flag, not Russian. -- Last edit: 2006-09-19 15:33:49 |
|
◊ 2006-11-14 22:55 |
Were Moskvitches sold in West Germany and West Berlin? |
|
◊ 2007-03-22 02:05 |
Soviet embassy car. Identified in the dialogue as "Exact copy of 1937 Nash" .gif ":)") |
|
◊ 2015-05-30 14:47 |
Perhaps the writers were thinking of the myth that ZiS limousines were made with old Packard tooling. |
|
◊ 2023-03-03 19:22 |
The 1958 Moskvitch 407 looks nothing like a 1937 Nash, whereas the ZiS limousine is virtually identical to a 1940s Packard. |
|
◊ 2023-05-23 09:10 |
I believe the original Moskvitch was an Opel Kadett build from war reparations, and of course looks nothing like this model, though I don't know if the running gear carried on with this model. GAZ had models "inspired" by Nash. And though ZIS limousines may not have been built from Packard tooling, they certainly were also "inspired" (reverse engineered). Communist countries had more important concerns than engineering cars for the ruling class, but for International prestige and at home, it was necessary to have important-looking homemade vehicles. Case in point, the Hong Qi I only recently learned was a 1955 Imperial that had its metal work greatly modified to disguise its Imperialist heritage. US and European automakers were long experienced in building cars since before the turn of the century, and Russia and China couldn't compete in an established industry without significant assistance or outright intellectual-property theft. Hong Qis became badge-engineered Lincoln Town Cars and Audis at one point in the 1990 / early 2000s before the Chinese requirement to partner with local manufacturers allowed them to learn the process from foreign companies. But as far as Russia is concerned, the 1970s Ladas were FIAT engineering, recent Lada Vesta was a Renault, and even the leader's Aurus reputedly is a Bentley underneath. It is expensive enough to put custom coachwork on these cars, but cost prohibitive and foolhardy to start a new car company from nothing to build a handful of limousines for the Russian elite, and hope to sell some civilian models to the Middle East, China, etc. An absolutely classic movie with rapidfire jokes and pace, but still never forget the great Leon Askin as the Russian commissar offering James Cagney as C R. McNamara that "little Russian hotrod parked out front" (aka "exact copy of 1936 Nash"). And in the ensuing pursuit, it proceeds to discintigrate chasing McNamara's "Adenauer" Mercedes-Benz. Totally classic but under-appreciated film, though not for Cold War history buffs!!! |
|
◊ 2023-05-23 10:58 |
In the late 70s I worked for an electronics company, as a commercial officer. The Chinese Government had bought some equipment from us, and during the purchase process had argued for a certain level of warranty which was allowed after much discussion. Some time later some printed circuit boards from the equipment were returned (yes, I know, it was a long time ago) as not working. The labs examined the boards and said, yes, they weren't working, but they had been when they left us, the problem being that certain components had been removed from the boards by the customer, and replaced incorrectly. Obviously they had wanted to evaluate some parts out of circuit, and not been too careful when replacing them. How things have changed, but you can still make progress on other people's backs. -- Last edit: 2023-05-23 10:59:25 |
|
◊ 2023-06-17 02:52 |
Interesting anecdote, johnfromstaffs. I think that is an cautionary tale of how precious technology from the US, UK, Continental Europe, Japan, Taiwan, etc. needs to be regulated closely so as not to be handed over to unfriendly governments that are sabre rattling and could use that technology against us if diplomatic conditions deteriorate. I can understand the reverse-engineering, but the refund request is very amusing. Perhaps they were hoping not only to get their money back, but also attempt to embarass your firm with the "fault" claim. Yes, you are so right how "you can still make process on other people's backs." Perhaps we need to consider if we want to offer a leg up to climb onto the back. I remember seeing photo of a North Korean "copy" of a Mercedes-Benz 190. Wow! It was the worst built vehicle I have ever seen, and an absolute monstrosity that obviously could not have had any cooperation from the German manufacturer. |
Add a comment Advertising Advertising
