Advertising Last completed movie pages 1983 Volvo 760 GLE [764]Class: Cars, Sedan — Model origin: 
![1983 Volvo 760 GLE [764]](/i062225.jpg)
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Minor action vehicle or used in only a short scene
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◊ 2007-10-06 20:53 |
The President's official car at that time, specially ordered by General Jaruzelski back in 1989, armoured and all. Used by Walesa until replaced by BMW E38s (still in service as government cars). Later also used by Prime Minister Hanna Suchocka (1993). Later in the government fleet as a limo for foreign guests of state. The car was subsequently handed down the police in Silesia to transport accomplice witnesses (where there was a danger of assassination). In 2006 it was available for sale, as it was too expensive to restore to working condition. Story in Polish: http://miasta.gazeta.pl/katowice/1,35019,3502809.html Photo in 2006 condition: ![[Image: z3502687X.jpg]](http://bi.gazeta.pl/im/7/3502/z3502687X.jpg "http://bi.gazeta.pl/im/7/3502/z3502687X.jpg") |
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◊ 2007-10-06 22:47 |
Car in this movie is an older, 1983 model, but thanks it is still an interesting info. .gif ":)") |
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◊ 2007-10-07 03:01 |
don't you have a better view on the volvo from the movie? It indeed is a 1982-1988 760, but it looks like a Executive to me. It could be easily recognized by lack of window in C-Pillar, so the photo from side should help |
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◊ 2007-10-07 16:49 |
Yes, there are another views. I will add new pics when I will find a CD with the film. |
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◊ 2007-10-18 16:06 |
It has 3rd side window:![[Image: 760hh5.7226.jpg]](http://pics.imcdb.org/0is524/760hh5.7226.jpg) |
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◊ 2007-10-18 16:07 |
Oh, so it was Olszewski's car then... |
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◊ 2007-10-18 16:11 |
I remeber Wałęsa had also an MB W126 stretched by Trasco. |
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◊ 2007-10-18 16:17 |
It appears in the movie, but I honestly can't recall seeing it. I remember the Volvos though. |
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◊ 2007-10-18 17:51 |
Ahem, I'm very sorry, if my posting has a nationalistic smell, but I remember a notice in a German newspaper from around the middle of the 90ies, where it was written, that someone has founded out, that in that years some of the Polish government-cars had chassis-numbers, which were marked in German police-computers at stolen. @weasel: in the early 80ies Lech Walesa had a T3-VW Bus as a private car, am I right? |
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◊ 2007-10-18 18:30 |
I guess it was a lame attempt at humour. The government used Fiats and Lancias pre-1989, which were obviously obtained legally from Fiat (the "national" manufacturer in Poland), and later every purchase was documented. Never have I heard of any branch of the government purchasing second-hand cars - even when older cars were used by lower-ranking government officers, they were hand-me-downs from higher-ranking agencies (like in the case of the Volvo, or many Lancia Kappas now in use by local governments). PS. IIRC, Walesa had a Polski Fiat 126p and later relied on transportation organized for him. On becoming president, he became obviously eligible to a state car (which he is still now as a former president), so he might not have owned any further cars. -- Last edit: 2007-10-18 18:32:51 |
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◊ 2007-10-18 18:51 |
I also never heard about it. Before the 1989 Peugeots were quite common too. Personally I loved Themas and Kappas - still Lancia is a synonim of a 'governemnt car' even if Thesis isn't unfortunately so common in this role. In tuesday, near the Plac Trzech Krzyży I've seen this accident and smashed E38  of minister Ziobro (well not as smashed like the Corolla). These cars probably soon will be completly replaced by something else - I hope not by bigger number of E65.  Walesa's first car was a Warszawa, I can't find any info about the VW. -- Last edit: 2007-10-18 19:08:29 |
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◊ 2007-10-18 19:08 |
I guess the Pugs were purchased only after 1989 (when PSA was making attempts at establishing a manufacturing base in Lublin). Did you see Ziobro's accident in person? I mean, the aftermath? I believe there's bound to be more E65s under way - what else? I even like them with the new front end... That said, the Czech Republic does fine with Skoda Superbs, only our government has to go all out lavish. |
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◊ 2007-10-18 19:12 |
I think, there are only a very few countries exept Poland and Italy, where big Lancias have the reputation as "government cars". Here in Germany it's hard to find any big Fiat or Lancia. Over here the reputation is very low. The prices for used ones, too. It's nearly impossible for an owner of big or even medium-size-Fiats or Lancias to sell a used car for just a little bit respectable price. If you own such a car, you must hold it until the scrapyard. Actually I know only one Lancia Kappa in my area - the company-car of the local Fiat-dealer. A bit cheaper fuel at their gas-station, nice and friendly people (the girls at the cash desk are the cuties of our village .gif ";)") ,also the complete original 80ies-style of the whole areal I like (with Fiat 132-gaskets hanging in the back) - but I never would buy a car there. |
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◊ 2007-10-18 19:28 |
It's not reputation, it's fact (i.e. they ARE government cars, or were, before the gov't turned its back on Fiat and went on a BMW shopping spree). Large Lancias tend to depreciate quickly around here too, but there is a comparatively high number of them around due to the use in government fleets (not only due to availability ex-government cars, but also the fact that the cars have become "common" and people perhaps feel more familiar with them, buying both new and importing used - again, low purchase price also plays a role). According to owners, they are reasonably reliable and it is possible to keep them in good condition - the number still on the road is a good indication, I guess. -- Last edit: 2007-10-18 19:29:16 |
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◊ 2007-10-18 19:59 |
Gierek had a 604, and later Jaruzelski too. Some cars were too old to be produced after 1989 - for example 505. They definitely should buy vehicles made by concern which has a plant here - even if the proper model isn't produced there. I don't know how this accident exactly happend. I was there a couple minutes after. All what can I add about the Lancias is that they were used by many years, sometimes on very bad roads and I've never heard about any problems with these cars. Lot of them as Bravada wrote is still in pretty good condition: http://www.lancia-kappa.com/mambo/index.php?option=com_zoom&Itemid=16 -- Last edit: 2007-10-18 20:57:02 |
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◊ 2007-10-18 21:05 |
The TV report I saw said the Corolla made an abrupt attempt at an U-turn (not the best place for that manouver FWIK) right in front of the BMW, so the driver didn't even have time to properly break. Driver and passenger are hospitalized. I believe the Peugeots were incidental purchases - I don't recall too many of them, or any at all, to be honest. I remember the prolific 405s of the secret services in early 1990s though. Cool that you got to see it though. Was Ziobro still there? Too bad he didn't enjoy one of his last rides... As concerns Lancias in Germany, I have done my AutoScout24 stuff and it looks like four-five year old Theses actually come dearer as comparably old Audi A6s. |
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◊ 2007-10-18 21:56 |
The Intrall website says that FSC assembled 3,500 Peugeot 405s between 1993 and 1995. I wonder if they were all bought by the government. http://www.intrall.eu/page.shtml?step=page&bind1=24&lang=eng |
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◊ 2007-10-18 22:42 |
Nope, I guess most of the government-bought Pugs were purchased pre-1993 - I believe this can be put down to "cuddling" efforts between the government and PSA. The Lublin-built 405s were pretty popular in the retail market, though. Too bad it ended up this way... |
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◊ 2007-10-19 16:02 |
Yes that's the most probable version. I didn't see him (Ziobro), he could be in the ambulance. There were some 505 (maybe indeed not so common) - you can find them even in this movie (are too background to be listed). See this thumb for Volvo or picture of 405. |
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