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◊ 2006-11-07 00:54 |
The green car on the back. |
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◊ 2006-11-07 07:19 |
There rear shape isn't quite right for a GS. I was thinking Lancia Gamma? |
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◊ 2006-11-07 08:17 |
It is a Lancia Gamma indeed. |
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◊ 2006-11-07 08:57 |
Too much smaller for a Gamma,being that a Lancia,yes,but Beta Berlina of 2nd series,1975-1979 PS the fact that for hiergehts it don't matches as a Citroen GS,but if it resembles,depends'cause the Italian car was developed at time when Fiat-Lancia-Citroen triple alliance(signed after the 1968 joint-venture with Maserati) was still in businesses to project vehicles with running gears in common(the results of that cooperation were only the gasoline and diesel engines for Citroen C35/Fiat 242 vans,1973 and CX cars,1974,before of Citroen's entry into just-formed-at-period's Peugeot holding,named PSA Group later)and the former version of project prewiewing the use of hydropneumatic suspensions of Citroen cars on a Fiat-powered coque that resembles much that of 1970 Citroen GS,justified that both cars were initially projected together(if project was been completed,now we had get an Italian Citroen GS,Lancia-badged and with Fiat-transverse-engines;unhappy,at end of 1973,just after C35 presentation,Citroen withdrawn itself from agree thru Lancia and Fiat and that"French connection" will ends) |
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◊ 2006-11-07 09:44 |
Beta (Berlina) 2a serie, no doubt. |
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◊ 2006-11-07 11:32 |
That's not true. Project G was an all Citroën project. There was no connection with this Lancia as you suggest. Read all about it here : http://www.citroenet.org.uk/prototypes/projet-l/projet-l.html and here http://www.citroen.mb.ca/citroenet/prototypes/projet-g/projet-g.html What happend is that the designer of the GS (Robert Opron) was inspired with the designs of pinifarina for the BMLC prototypes, as more designers where. See for instance the BLMC prototype that looks just like a Citroën CX (designed by Robert Opron), which is designed by pinin farina, just as the Lancia Beta is. See here http://www.citroenet.org.uk/passenger-cars/psa/cx/cx01.html and http://www.citroenet.org.uk/passenger-cars/psa/cx/cx01.html Please check you're information before you write something down. |
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◊ 2006-11-07 13:54 |
Quant à la connexion Citroën-Fiat (branche utilitaire), elle a continué après l'annexion par PSA via les C25/J5/Ducato et descendants... via le site de Sevelnord. -- Last edit: 2006-11-07 13:55:00 |
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◊ 2006-11-07 19:01 |
Wait,I don't had said that exist a Lancia with a Citroen GS body,I had said that it could be existed if co-operation with Lancia-Fiat and Citroen was followed years later(only for cars projects,obviously);while,the two projects had took two different ways,but if Lancia was in agree in a early moment to use same GS hydropneumatic suspensions for reduce costs,but actually don't results that was realized at least one of prototypes of Lancia Beta with that configuration;so,Citroen had own-powered--4-cylinder flat boxer unit,1015 cc.,get adding 2 cylinders of more at 602 cc.Dyane 6 engine--midsize,the 1970 GS and Lancia had the Fiat 132-powered--4 cyl.OHC 1.6 lt. or DOHC 1.8 lt.--1972 Lancia Beta PS The fact that former Lancia Beta project(project code Lancia X1/32)had prewiewed the use of Citroen suspensions was written on a 1979 issue of Italian motor magazine "Quattroruote" BTW,DIE HARD is right when says that Robert Opron had taken inspiration by 1966 and 1967 Pininfarina body projects,as done other stylists of period,in fact: --Citroen GS,1970(Robert Opron for Citroen style center,France) --Alfa Romeo Alfasud,1971(Giorgetto Giugiaro for Ital Design studio,Turin,Italy) --Lancia Beta,1972(Rodolfo Bonetto?for Centro Stile Fiat,Orbassano,Turin,Italy) --VW Passat,1973(Giorgetto Giugiaro for Ital Design studio,Turin,Italy) --Citroen CX,1974(Robert Opron for Citroen style center,France) --Simca 1307-1308,1975(Chrysler France style center,Poissy) --Lancia Gamma Berlina,1976(Sergio Pininfarina for Centro Stile Pininfarina studio,Turin) --Rover 3500(SD1),1976(David Bache of BL Design studio,England in co-operation with Centro Stile Pininfarina studio,Turin) The thing that have in common all those cars was that the exploits the aerodynamic body shape called"Kamm effect'tail",i.e. a fast-back end style(with a more canted back window like a coupè body,but on a saloon body) |
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◊ 2006-11-07 20:40 |
A ce moment-là, autant dire que le grand inspirateur de tout ce mouvement est Gaston Juchet et la Renault 16! |
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◊ 2006-11-07 20:49 |
Résumer le moteur de la GS à un double Ami6... Points communs entre les deux moteurs: refroidissement à air; et disposition des cylindres à plat. Et c'est techniquement tout. Pour le reste, il s'agissait plus d'un courant d'inspiration commune qui veut que la plupart des véhicules sortis à la même époque aient des points communs troublants. Mais ça, c'est de tous temps! (cf Opel Olympia et Renault Juvaquatre, juste avant la deuxième guerre... ) Moteur de l'Ami6: distribution culbutée, arbre à cames latéral donc... Moteur de GS: distribution arbre à cames en tête et entraînement par courroie, boxer-four, entre autres différences... On est plus proches du concept moteur de l'Alfasud ou des Subaru! (hormis le mode de refroidissement) |
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◊ 2006-11-07 21:22 |
D'ailleurs, c'est pas plutôt chez Panhard qu'il faut voir les origines du moteur de la GS? |
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◊ 2006-11-07 21:29 |
Historiquement, oui. Directement! |
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◊ 2006-11-08 12:44 |
.gif ":)") That is also a way of seeing it and I think if you look back Citroën may be glad the way things worked out for them in this manner... |
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◊ 2006-11-08 12:53 |
Ok, then I must have misinterpreted what you where saying. The Citroën - Fiat connection on other cars is clear. But I read something a long time ago what I still find hard to believe, there would have been a Fiat 127 prototype with a rotaryengine? Can you as Italian car specialist rememeber something about this?And what great cars this we're. It is somewhat sad to see that the supposed Austin Allegro could be under them, if BMLC did not reject the pininfarina designs in 1968.... -- Last edit: 2006-11-08 12:53:53 |
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◊ 2006-11-08 12:57 |
The Ami Super did have the 1015cc GS engine I believe, or am I mistaken? |
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◊ 2006-11-08 15:54 |
Tout à fait exact: il s'agissait de combler le trou dans la gamme entre les Ami8 et les GS, et les rendre accessibles aux allergiques à l'hydropneumatique... |
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◊ 2006-11-08 17:27 |
We must done apposite forums to compare bodybuilders styles and engine origins,don't believe,kids??? PS X DIEHARD: on Fiat 127(that was styled inside Centro Stile Fiat,but by an art sculptor,not a car stylist,the man in question being Mr.Pio Manzù,that done the final layout of the 850's replacement at end of Sixties)don't recall were experimented rotary engines(but that don't means that could be possible and Fiat had abandoned experiments later);in fact our motor industry will demonstrate few interest on that kind of engines and that explain why don't exists none car range of national motor Makes to be powered with that odd and troublesome powerplants...Italian Makes had prefered to experiment as alternative engines,Diesel,turbocharged,electric engines PS X JPLEMOINE:you quotes the R16 stylist and this was a best and innovative 1965 design;but the Citroens styled by Flaminio Bertoni,then??? Don't think that 'cause I'm Italian,likes me only cars done by Italian stylists!!!...... I love in same way also the cars styled by Bill Mitchell(GM),Bruno Sacco(Mercedes),Da Silva(Seat),Chris Bangle(BMW), etc.,etc....They're all artists of our motoring era with their motorized operas,from the smallest to the greatest name as importance!!!... |
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