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1954 Austin Princess 4-Litre Limousine [DM4] Comments about this vehicle| Author | Message |
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◊ 2014-05-26 20:23 |
![[Image: 5502.2.jpg]](http://pics.imcdb.org/5605/5502.2.jpg) |
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◊ 2014-05-26 20:41 |
1953+ Austin A135 Princess Long Wheelbase Limousine. There appears to be an Austin Flying A atop the radiator, and the spats have the Austin shaped cutaway and not the Princess or Vanden Plas one.. -- Last edit: 2014-05-26 20:45:03 |
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◊ 2014-05-26 21:49 |
PRNCCS license plate |
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◊ 2014-05-26 23:10 |
I'm confused by this one - no argument about Austin Princess, but which one - A135 Mk3 LWB as above or normal Austin Princess 4-Litre Limousine?? @jfs - Robson Cars of BMC p67 photo looks identical to this one with thick pillar behind rear door but Robson's caption is also confused - the "Austin Princess A135 lwb limousine " did not run from 1952 to 1968 in its various guises - it was the Austin Princess 4-Litre Limousine which did. I can believe thick pillar means A135 Mk3 LWB (eg http://car-from-uk.com/sale.php?id=48520&country=us ) and thin pillar = 4-Litre Limousine (but if so we need to revisit eg /vehicle_66421-Austin-Princess-4-litre-Limousine-1952.html and /vehicle_558020-Austin-Princess-4-litre-Limousine-1952.html ), but that ain't proof. And can I find a definitely confirmed Austin Princess 4-Litre Limousine photo (instead of later versions) to confirm this difference?? No - everyone else who captions google pictures seems confused as well. And just for the sheer hell of it - any known photos anywhere of an A135 Mk4 LWB Limo with the new Mk4 styling?? -- Last edit: 2014-05-27 12:44:52 |
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◊ 2014-05-27 11:09 |
No chance according to Robson. "For this chassis, (ie the Mark IV) there was only one wheelbase on offer and one basic body style, which could be supplied as a conventional saloon or as a touring limousine". (P67 top left). Picture of "A135 Princess" with thin pillar and VdP style spats. Link to "www.google.co.uk" A 135 Princess with thick pillar, Austin badging and VdP spats (That's a 1957 Staffordshire plate) http://www.bestautophoto.com/images/car-austin-a135-princess-01.jpg The probable answer, as I know from Bentleys with coachbuilt bodies, is that there was continuous variation of build parameters according to what the customer wanted and what there was in the stores when the pick list hit it. -- Last edit: 2014-05-27 12:29:20 |
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◊ 2014-05-28 15:35 |
I'm making sense of these at last - in my own mind at least. A135 Mk1-4 each came with "Saloon" and "Touring Limousine" versions, but both versions shared same body and wheelbase (which I think stayed constant during Mk1-4 evolution) - the only differences were probably the Touring Limousine having a division, and the model codes changed: Mk1 - Oct 47 Saloon DS2, Sept 48 Touring Limousine DM2 Mk2 - Oct 50 DS3, DM3 Mk3 - Sept 53 DS5, DM5 Mk4 - Oct 56 DS7, DM7 (which continued past Aug 57 name change from Austin to Princes as make until stopping in May 59 and March 59 respectively - see /vehicle_112918-Princess-IV-DS7-1957.html ) DS1 was the Oct 47 A125 Sheerline saloon, which was augmented by the DM1 lwb limousine in Sept 49. Vanden Plas were given the task of updating the A125 lwb DM1 and in Oct 52 introduced the DM4 Limousine outside the Mk1-4 sequence (but during the Mk2 period). I'm not sure if this was identified as Austin A135 Princess Limousine or just Austin Princess Limousine, but is what we call Austin Princess 4-litre Limousine and went onto to become Princess 4-litre Limousine and then Vanden Plas Princess 4-litre Limousine. I can't find confirmation or reference for when the pillar behind rear door stopped being thick and body colour (as here) and was replaced by thin with shiny trim (eg here) but 1957 make change to just Princess seems a reasonable point to choose. There is however another version in the mix - the DS6 lwb Saloon introduced in Sept 53 alongside the Mk3 DS5/DM5 launch and as far as I can tell was just a longer A135 DS5 with the same short rear side window behind doors which were bigger - eg Link to "classiccarcatalogue.com" (lower left), http://cbrinn.fsnet.co.uk/modelc.html . There was never a DM6 Touring Limousine equivalent, presumably to avoid conflict with DM4. The confusing thing about the DS6, which is not well referenced anywhere, is that Glass's claim it stayed in production alongside the DM4 through all the changes until 1967; as they quote annual chassis numbers for each of DM4 and DS6 (but within a shared sequence) this seems unlikely to be a mistake. DS6 and DM4 both had same wheelbase and length according to Glass's, so the difference seems to be the rear side window size and maybe rear door length. But none of our VdPs seem to have a short rear side window DS6. So what's going on with this DS6 version? Did it really exist as more than a paper exercise after 1957?? Update - have been through all Austin Princess and just Princess 4-Litres and inserted DM4 code. Did find one DS6 Princess (as make) A135 LWB with UYW 818 plate and 2 sightings. All VdPs checked - no VdP A135 LWBs found - everything seems to be DM4, although haven't entered code. -- Last edit: 2014-05-29 02:22:57 |
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◊ 2020-04-21 20:23 |
Update #2 - this is the Sept 53+ slight facelift which had slight grille change - pointed and higher top, chrome outline inside the aperture (but still body colour surround) and doubled rear lights. |
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◊ 2021-04-24 17:31 |
DS6 info here - 88 cars made with various different body styles, including "a six-light saloon (externally identical to the DM4 Limousine). Both vehicles were identical mechanically to the DM4. The DS6 had a front split bench-type seat normally without an interior division ... " (46 made), so impossible to split from normal DM4 unless there's a clear interior view. |
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