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1949 Wolseley 4/50

1949 Wolseley 4/50 in Flashman, Movie, 1967 IMDB

Class: Cars, Sedan — Model origin: UK

1949 Wolseley 4/50

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Jale PL

◊ 2014-12-09 16:17

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dsl SX

◊ 2014-12-09 16:47

 Front wing looks wrong for Oxford MO, which leads to Morris Six or even Wolseley 6/80 as chrome window surround - eg /vehicle_121244-Wolseley-6-80-1950.html . I think I vote Wolseley - anyone else??

johnfromstaffs EN

◊ 2014-12-09 17:07

 4/50

dsl SX

◊ 2014-12-09 17:18

 See /vehicle_74886-Wolseley-4-50-1949.html
sixeighty wrote Actually appears to be a Wolseley 4/50 (1948-53) - Due to the shorter front end and wings, and lack of chrome trim around the rear screen.

This one has chrome around rear screen.

johnfromstaffs EN

◊ 2014-12-09 17:23

 http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/58/Wolseley_4-50_rear.jpg

Not always.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/22009880@N06/7250498430

Definitely not always, but I think it's the same example.

http://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wolseley_6-80_rear.jpg

Sometimes rules are not rules.



-- Last edit: 2014-12-09 23:28:13

dsl SX

◊ 2014-12-09 19:46

 I've emailed a man who might know. Entered as 1949 4/50.

dsl SX

◊ 2014-12-10 17:29

 Very helpful email reply from Patrick Carroll, President, 6/80 & MO Club - www.680mo.org.uk
Quote Now I'm not saying this is 100% guaranteed, as there were numerous minor changes to trim details during the short lives of the 4/50 & 6/80, but to the best of my knowledge, the chrome trim in the rear screen rubber for the Wolseleys was one of the trim differences between them & the similar Morris models, the MO Oxford & MS Morris Six, which just had plain rear screen rubbers. Looking at my 1950 4/50 Service Parts List, under 'Back Light - Fittings', I see listed a 'Finisher - Chromium Plated', which I believe to be the trim you are talking about.

I suspect that the reason you're seeing photos of some Wolseleys without that chrome trim is that the screen rubber mouldings for the rear screen are becoming a bit difficult to find, & even more difficult to actually fit - with the chrome trim being a real pain to get in even when you do get the glass in! Also, I think that a screen rubber from a Minor will do the job, & is obviously much more readily available, but doesn't have the slot in it to fit the chrome finisher.

So I think the answer to your query is that the 4/50 & 6/80 did come as standard with the rear screen chrome finisher, but that anyone who has had to replace their rear screen or rubber may well have given up on the chrome strip. Attached is a photo of the rear of my own 1952 4/50, showing the original rubber & chrome trim. Although it's very difficult to tell the difference between a 4/50 & 6/80 from the rear or rear 3/4 view (obviously the 6/80 has a longer bonnet, & also has an opening rear quarter light, which the 4/50 doesn't), looking at the photo on your forum, I would agree that it's most likely to be a 4/50 judging from the apparently short bonnet - unless you can improve the photo enough to see a handle on the rear quarter light, in which case it's a 6/80!


So MO Oxford & MS Morris Six had plain rubber, all Wolseley 4/50 & 6/80 left factory with chrome trim (so previous rule that 4/50 did not is no longer valid) BUT surviving Wolseleys of both types may no longer have that chrome trim for practical reasons. Therefore presence means either Wolseley version, but absence does not necessarily exclude Wolseley. Plus a small detail to split 4/50 (fixed rear quarterlights) from 6/80 (opening rear quarterlights with visible catch in right circumstances) in case it's ever useful.

johnfromstaffs EN

◊ 2014-12-11 21:51

 A very comprehensive summary and very good of Patrick Carroll to spare the time. Well done by DSL.

All we need now is to encounter a Morris which somebody has stuck a chrome trim onto and we will have the set!

-- Last edit: 2014-12-11 21:55:19

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