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G-MANN ◊ 2007-01-26 19:27	Either a Dodge Caravan/Plymouth Voyager/Chrysler Voyager/Chrysler Town and Country/what's the bloody difference. From the freeway scene where the Impala's accelerator gets jammed and momentarily they can't stop speeding.
cieraguy ◊ 2007-01-26 19:55	Yes... the 1996-2000 generation
G-MANN ◊ 2007-01-26 19:59	Thing is because all the details have been painted over, we don't know which one it is.
ahight ◊ 2007-01-26 20:03	filmed in US, so that narrows it down to the Dodge Caravan, Plymouth Voyager and Chrysler Town & Country. i didn't think the T&C came with the unpainted bumpers...if I had to guess, I'd say Voyager...wasn't that shade of green popular with Voyagers vs Caravans?
G-MANN ◊ 2007-01-26 20:06	Notice the roof spoiler.
ahight ◊ 2007-01-26 20:14	i think when they did the artsy effect, the spoiler looks bigger because of the roof rack. -- Last edit: 2007-01-26 20:17:09
crossroads ◊ 2007-01-26 21:37	I'm postive that this is a 1996 Dodge Grand Caravan, my friend had one for about 6 years and was practically my 3rd car.
tonkatracker ◊ 2007-01-26 22:30	crossroads wrote I'm postive that this is a 1996 Dodge Grand Caravan, my friend had one for about 6 years and was practically my 3rd car. from this angle it is Impossible to tell if it is a Dodge Caravan, Plymouth Voyager, Chrysler Voyager, Dodge Grand Caravan or Plymouth Grand Caravan
antp ◊ 2007-01-26 22:32	We have to pick one... (but is it worth listing this one btw? it surprises me from G-MANN )
tonkatracker ◊ 2007-01-26 22:38	I'd say 1996 Plymouth Voyager just because of the popularity of that color on they Plymouths
G-MANN ◊ 2007-01-26 23:51	The Impala weaves around this as it keeps accelerating (the pedal gets stuck). We just need to pick whichever model is more likely. I never understood the point in the car being sold under three brands when they all belong to the same company anyway. -- Last edit: 2007-01-26 23:51:19
Hecubus ◊ 2007-01-27 02:04	G-MANN, it's mostly to satisfy the dealerships. Starting in the 70's, the Big 3 started to cut back on their engineering, so that instead of each division basically making their own cars, they sold rebadged versions of the parent company's cars. That way, the dealers don't complain about not being able to sell a certain kind of vehicle, and the companies save money.
G-MANN ◊ 2007-01-27 13:29	I suppose it saves money to have 3 brands selling the same basic model rather than them developing their own, but what attracts the American consumer to each different brand, why would someone want a Plymouth Voyager more than a Dodge Caravan, is there really much difference between them? You could say the VW Toureg and Porsche Cayenne are the same car underneath, but the Porsche is considerably more upmarket and sporty (not that I think much of either car), but wouldn't the Dodge, Plymouth and Chrysler all have been pretty affordable? American cars seem really cheap compared to European ones, also isn't it true that the average American worker makes more money compared to his European counterpart? I suppose this is the reason why Plymouth doesn't exist anymore. -- Last edit: 2007-01-27 13:30:17
tonkatracker ◊ 2007-01-27 13:39	There are a couple Reasons that Manufacterers market the same vehicle with different Brnd names, one is brand loyalty this way if someoner is a Die-Hard Dodge fan the can get a Dodge but if they are maybe a Plymouth fan they can still get the van without actually getting a Dodge (atleast w/o gettingthe DODGE name ) another reason is Trim level, Instead of having say the Dodge Caravan SE, GT, LE, JX, LX, etc< etc they can use the different makes to help diferentiate, The Plymouth Voyager is the least equipped, followed by the Dodge Caravan and finally the T&C, and then each of the three still have trim levels within their nameplates, but the Highest end Plymouth is not as well equipped as the Highest end Caravan and likewise the Caravan to the Chrysler T & C now the Dodge and Plymouth Neon I do not understand because they had the same exact trim levels with the exception of the ACR and R/T and in the later years Plymouth did get their own version of the R/T but I cant remember what it was called
G-MANN ◊ 2007-01-27 13:44	Since I'm not American, the brands don't have as much meaning to me (except maybe I'd associate Dodge with the Dodge Viper), Couldn't they have just sold all the cars as Chryslers, that money all goes to Chrysler anyway since it owns Dodge and Plymouth. Yes, those two brands would make less money but Chrysler would make more so it would balance out. Didn't buyers get confused when the car was being sold under three brands? -- Last edit: 2007-01-27 13:46:50
tonkatracker ◊ 2007-01-27 13:57	G-MANN wrote Since I'm not American, the brands don't have as much meaning to me (except maybe I'd associate Dodge with the Dodge Viper), Couldn't they have just sold all the cars as Chryslers, that money all goes to Chrysler anyway since it owns Dodge and Plymouth. Yes, those two brands would make less money but Chrysler would make more so it would balance out. Didn't buyers get confused when the car was being sold under three brands? honestly you wouldn't believe how many idiots don't even realize that they are all the same van Badge Engineering is just the american way Im afraid. Most manufacturers do it but not many as obviously as some american manufacturers
Hecubus ◊ 2007-01-27 22:44	Although at a basic financial level, it'd make sense to consolodate full lineups into one smaller company, the Big 3 have to worry about their dealer networks. If it were to happen that they were to get rid of the majority of their brands, they'd basically have to buy out every dealer that sells those vehicles. For instance, near my hometown, there are two GM dealers about 100m apart. At one point in the early 90's, one sold Chevrolet, Oldsmobile, and Geo, while the other sold Pontiac, Buick, Cadillac, GMC, and Asuna. Although there were only a couple of cars sold at one that you couldn't get at the other, both dealers are doing fine (they're still around today, for what it's worth). But if GM suddenly decided they were going to sell exclusively Chevrolet, they'd have to compensate the other dealer who was suddenly losing their product.
Exiv96 ◊ 2007-01-27 22:47	Hecubus wrote At one point in the early 90's, one sold Chevrolet, Oldsmobile, and Geo, while the other sold Pontiac, Buick, Cadillac, GMC, and Asuna. Aaah... Asüna. Badge engineering's forgotten child ! I think it only lasted 2 or 3 years only. -- Last edit: 2007-01-27 22:47:29
Raul1983 ◊ 2007-01-27 22:57	Exiv96 wrote Aaah... Asüna. Badge engineering's forgotten child ! I think it only lasted 2 or 3 years only. Yes, 1992-1995
G-MANN ◊ 2007-01-28 00:24	Hecubus's post explains the answer well, but I wonder why the buyer would prefer a Plymouth over Dodge, and vice-versa. Some cars can have a different image despite being the same as another car underneath, eg. the Cadillac Escalade is a flashy version of the Chevrolet Tahoe/Suburban, but with middle-of-the-road minivans there can't be much difference in image and luxury can there? Although I do live in England and American brands don't mean as much to me (Americans may feel the same about Renaults and Citroens). Someone once explained to me that there was a hierarchy of prestige with the GM Brands (I think Chevy was the lowest, then it was Pontiac, Oldsmobile and Buick, with Cadillac at the top), but since nowadays American cars all seem so cheap (though SUVs can be quite expensive), that if someone can afford a Chevy, why couldn't they afford a Buick? It hardly seems as big a class divide as Rover and Jaguar (Rover once aspired to be like a cheaper, junior version of Jaguar, though later on cars like the 600 and 800 weren't even mentioned in the same sentence as Jaguar). By the way some European makes have gotten together to produce minivans (we call them people-carriers or MPVs) and sell them under their own names, there was the Ford Galaxy/Volkswagen Sharan/Seat Alhambra and the Peugeot 806 (succeeded by the 807)/Citroen Evasion (Synergie in the UK and succeeded by the C8)/Fiat Ulysse, though the different badge are not all part of the same corporation. While they'd each save money by sharing development costs, wouldn' they also be in competition with each other selling the same product?
antp ◊ 2007-01-28 01:01	G-MANN wrote Although I do live in England [...] Isn't that the country where they rebadge the Opel as "Vauxhall"? In your example, between the Citroën Evasion/Synergie and the Peugeot 806 there aren't really differences I think. And as both makes belong to PSA, it is the same as the rebadged US minivans -- Last edit: 2007-01-28 01:03:46
G-MANN ◊ 2007-01-28 01:17	antp wrote In your example, between the Citroën Evasion/Synergie and the Peugeot 806 there aren't really differences I think. And as both makes belong to PSA, it is the same as the rebadged US minivans That's what I meant. I don't know it makes much difference anymore calling Opels Vauxhalls, though if they started sticking Ford badges on Jaguars, I would object (though some now consider the new Jags to be little more than big Fords)
qwerty_86 ◊ 2007-01-30 07:00	There was a hierarchy, but the distinction has grown fuzzy. Plymouths were just stripped down Dodges and really Dodges were already cheap enough so there really isn't that much of a price difference. That's probably why Chrysler nixed Plymouth.

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