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1928 Austin 12/4 Two-Seater with Dickey

1928 Austin 12/4 Two-Seater with Dickey in Chemical Wedding, Movie, 2008

Class: Cars, Convertible — Model origin:

1928 Austin 12/4 Two-Seater with Dickey

Minor action vehicle or used in only a short scene

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Jale ◊ 2015-07-11 18:03
dsl ◊ 2015-07-11 18:08	VW 4091 plate issued sometime June 27 to Jan 29, now on a SILVER 2012 VOLKSWAGEN MOVE UP BLUEMOTION TECHNO 3 DOOR
nzcarnerd ◊ 2015-07-11 22:57	We have another similar car to this, almost identical in body details, - /vehicle_89911-Austin-12-4-Two-Seater-with-Dickey-1928.html - which is listed as a 'two seater with dickey' but I had thought that there would have been a name, like Clifton as the tourer is.
nzcarnerd ◊ 2015-07-11 23:29	Should all of the Vintage Austin 12s be called '12' to distinguish them form the 1930s 12/4s?
dsl ◊ 2015-07-11 23:40	I don't know - beyond my envelope. But we have some stability that everything 12 from 1938 is labelled Twelve, everything earlier is 12/4 or 12/6. Is the problem therefore limited to what we call 12/6?? Or something else/bigger??
nzcarnerd ◊ 2015-07-12 00:53	I will ask around the local Vintage Austin people and canvas opinion. Generally the Vintage - pre 1930 - ones are called 12/4s but wiki seems to use 'Twelve' (although there is no separate page) for those and 12/4 for the light 12/4s of 1930s.
johnfromstaffs ◊ 2015-07-12 08:28	Twelve. 1660cc then 1861cc, 1922 to 1932. About 80,000 Twelves produced inc. the 30s variant. Heavy Twelve-Four. 1861cc, 1933 to 1935. Same car, really. This chassis soldiered on for most of the 1930s under the various taxi bodies, must have been built to special order on an as-required basis after 1935. Light Twelve-Six. 1496cc and 1711cc, 1931 to 1934, then 1935 to 1936, then 1937 but 1711cc only. 30,000 cars approx. (I think this model caused the confusion of nomenclature.) Light Twelve-Four. 1525cc, 1933 to 1934, then 1935 to 1936, then 1937 to 1939. About 70,000 of all types produced, same chassis as the six cylinder Twelves. Twelve. 1525cc, 1939 then post war. About 6,000 produced, the Sixteen sold far more cars. The different years quoted denote the changes made, ie ribbon radiators giving way to cowls, style of coachwork changing to match model ranges, artillery wheels/wire wheels/easicleen wheels. The 1939 Twelve shared its body with the Sixteen which was introduced post war. It appears that Austin sometimes kept the same body name, (Harley, Ascot for instance) when they changed the style. According to Nick Baldwin, 1920s and Sedgwick & Gillies, 1930s. Agreed the subject car is a Twelve from the Vintage era, but the coachwork may be a later addition, it looks a bit contrived to me. In terms of the database, assuming the information derived from the books and listed above to be correct, the Twelve/Heavy Twelve-Four can be recognised by dates, body styles and number plates. The 1939 Twelve is instantly recognisable, but post war it is not distinguishable from the Sixteen if you can't see the engine. The problem rests with the Light Twelve, if you can't see the radiator, how do you know if it's a Four or a Six? -- Last edit: 2015-07-12 19:46:45
nzcarnerd ◊ 2015-07-13 09:54	So John on that basis we should all the Vintage models Twelves? I know that most owners call them 12/4s but on this site we just need to establish a standard and stick to it. Re the pre and post WW2 models the 12 and 16 are indistinguishable and in these cases I wonder what can be done to remove them from the 'unknowns' list. There are too many unknowns, like all of the VW Beetles which should just be labelled Beetle even though it is not technically correct. Another case is for the many makes of car for which there was no model name, mainly because in any one year the maker only made one type. Using the body style as the model name is simply not correct, and to my mind not acceptable, doesn't matter how people interpret the advertising material. Dodge and LaSalle are two good examples. -- Last edit: 2015-07-13 09:55:09
johnfromstaffs ◊ 2015-07-13 10:47	On the basis that Austin's appeared not to have called it the Heavy Twelve-Four until after the Light Twelve-Six appeared, probably yes. I have also ignored the existence of the Light Twelve-Six Sports, because its production figures were included in those of the standard model, and assumed that the horsepower designations of the two six cylinder engines weren't frequently used. To call the car a Light Twelve-Six 15.9 hp would seem a bit silly. The 1939 onwards Twelve/Sixteen problem could be solved by calling all post war cars Sixteen, going on the numbers constructed which favour the Sixteen by about six to one, unless proof can be found that the car was a 1939 build, in which case it must be a Twelve. -- Last edit: 2015-07-13 11:56:57
dsl ◊ 2015-07-13 13:35	Have sorted a few of the Austin unknowns, but mostly different types - still some left. Looks to me that if we're going to sort 12s/Twelves into something more streamlined: (1) a parallel task is needed for 16s/Sixteens (2) both would be fiddly - asking Sir Admin to do a block update might be too clumsy with all the sub-types involved - so may need to be done manually according to sub-type. As an admin, I could physically do it, but not knowledgeably enough to be confident I was doing right thing in each case. I think it's probably A Good Idea - makes our collections more coherent and removes fragmentation - but to flip the question, do we lose accuracy?? Are there some bodystyles which only apply for particular sub-types - eg only for the Light 12/4 or whatever? Or doesn't that actually matter? And while we're on the subject, should we do 18s and 18/6s as well - only a small batch, so easy to sort. If we did them, then all these number models could be finally sorted into written numbers (Twelve/Sixteen/Eighteen) instead of the mixtures we have at the moment with numeral groups as well.
johnfromstaffs ◊ 2015-07-13 14:13	Doesn't the body style work like a bus or coach ie Bedford OB/Duple, so Austin Light Twelve-Four/Ascot could be used. Also the body style may be open to discussion whereas the chassis is known. Certainly body styles on the Ten-Four are unique to that model AFAIK. Never seen a Fourteen Sherbourne or whatever. There's also the Twenty-Four and the Twenty-Six. Thank whoever that Austin didn't go in for Straight Eights and Vee Eights!
dsl ◊ 2016-05-22 18:03	/vehicle_917258-Austin.html

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