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1939 Standard Flying Twelve Super Touring Saloon [20CB] Comments about this vehicle| Author | Message |
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◊ 2016-04-23 13:13 |
![[Image: aisforacidimage119.jpg]](http://pics.imcdb.org/3321/aisforacidimage119.jpg) |
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◊ 2016-04-23 13:36 |
1939 Standard Super Twelve. -- Last edit: 2016-04-23 13:40:15 |
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◊ 2016-04-23 15:51 |
"FKH 824 is a black 1939 Standard with a numberplate first registered in Kingston-upon-Hull on 24 March 1939." Concours Winners at the Standard Motor Club International Rally, 2004 (Scarborough) .... Class 3 - Flying Standards and Postwar variants .... Third: 1939 FLYING 12 - FKH 824 - J MATSON So Super Twelve or Flying Twelve?? |
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◊ 2016-04-23 16:20 |
Notchback = Super 12 Fastback = Flying 12 According to S & G. Became a Fourteen after the war, this confused me totally as I wasn't aware of the prewar use of the notchback design until I looked up the date of the registration. BTW, if the van in the background is the one in the picture elsewhere in this film it looks Morris to me. -- Last edit: 2016-04-23 16:31:47 |
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◊ 2016-04-23 17:45 |
It should not be the same plotwise but anything is possible. |
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◊ 2016-04-23 18:04 |
The Book of the Standard Motor Company (Robson) says that in 1938 "several Flying models were face-lifted - or perhaps one should say tail-lifted - with a notch-back style...." in a photo-caption on p69 and in text on same page that all cars from Flying Eight to Flying Twenty now had this notchback, which seems to have come with revised chassis on Flying Ten/Twelve with ifs. There is no mention in the book of a Super Twelve as far as I can tell (but this is a very dense book and difficult for me to keep up with as I don't have much context knowledge of Standards to understand its facts with). Glass's does not mention bodywork, but gives the new ifs date as July 38 and refers to Flying Ten Super for this revision; no name change given for Flying Twelve entry (but Glass's pre-war info is very staccato). Simon's Cars calls these 38+ notchback/waterfall grille/ifs models Flying Ten Super and Flying Twelve Super. So Flying Twelve Super seems to match all sources?? And my brain hurts and I need a lie-down now . |
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◊ 2016-04-23 18:34 |
Cars for sale 1938 Flying 12 drop head coupe, (right) mot'd till July 17 2010, seen on front cover of Standard Car Review June 2008, asking price £7950 o.n.o. John Matson 01723 584111 matson671@btinternet.com N. Yorks. http://www.standardmotorclub.org.uk/classified_ads.html |
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◊ 2016-04-23 18:59 |
From what Robson said Flying Super Twelve may be a good compromise. It looks as if the company phased out "Flying" after the war, as Pierre said. I never heard of a Flying Vanguard. Having taken my driving test in a Vignale Vanguard Estate, they certainly didn't fly. As far as dsl's brain is concerned, what about the "Flying Light" and "Avon" models? No wonder the car industry found profits hard to come by. -- Last edit: 2016-04-23 19:47:19 |
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◊ 2018-10-16 18:56 |
Doesn't the 'Flying' refer to the 'Standard' rather than the car? |
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◊ 2018-10-16 19:42 |
Not really. The “Flying” came in during 1936 and was applied to all Standard’s models as and when the streamlined styling was applied to the cars. It was not used on cars made after the resumption of production for the domestic market in 1945/6. |
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◊ 2019-11-07 12:28 |
To try to set the naming rationale more firmly, the adoption of the 'Flying Standard' name was as a result of the more flowing lines compared to the more square and upright early 1930s models. So partly this was the fastback design of the new models in 1936, but whatever the original intention, the 'Flying Standard' naming was used in advertisements on the later Touring Saloons from 1938 with the increased boot size 'notchback' models right up to 1940.![[Image: flyingstandard.jpg]](http://pics.imcdb.org/558/flyingstandard.jpg) edit: Additional information regarding the 'Super' designation. The 1938 Twelve Super, Fourteen Super and Twenty Super was an optional improved internal trim and chassis lubrication on the base Twelve, Fourteen and Twenty models (therefore externally identical). The Super may have been continued for 1939 Twelve, Fourteen and Twenty models but I cannot confirm it. The Ten Super was applied to all the new 1939 Flying Ten Touring Saloon cars [10C], these had ifs. -- Last edit: 2019-11-16 12:41:15 |
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