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1967 Rolls-Royce Phantom V James Young Touring Limousine [5LVF91]

1967 Rolls-Royce Phantom V [5LVF91] in Hell Up in Harlem, Movie, 1973

Class: Cars, Limousine — Model origin:

1967 Rolls-Royce Phantom V James Young Touring Limousine [5LVF91]

00:24:37 Minor action vehicle or used in only a short scene

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vilero ◊ 2008-12-03 20:10
chris40 ◊ 2008-12-03 21:58	I think it's a Phantom V, perhaps originally by James Young? ... but with those landau irons it's been interfered with in the USA. Not much to its advantage.
Ddey65 ◊ 2008-12-04 04:33	It could be. But what about a Phantom VI?
chris40 ◊ 2008-12-04 08:50	IIRC the Phantom V had suicide rear doors, like this: the Phantom VI's were all front-hinged. That's why I suggested Phantom V, anyway
johnfromstaffs ◊ 2008-12-04 11:18	The purdah glass is fitted because you wouldn't want to be seen in it. All the good taste of a Big Mac and whitewall tyres too!
Ddey65 ◊ 2008-12-04 13:43	chris40 wrote IIRC the Phantom V had suicide rear doors, like this: the Phantom VI's were all front-hinged. That's why I suggested Phantom V, anyway Ahh, I was thrown off by quad headlights.
vilero ◊ 2008-12-05 11:47	Before fellow answer chris40 wrote IIRC the Phantom V had suicide rear doors, like this: the Phantom VI's were all front-hinged. That's why I suggested Phantom V, anyway I sent a mail to Rolls-Royce Owners Club and I have just received this answer from Eileen Dilger,Administrative Assistant of RROC Quote RROC wrote "I received a response from one of our members: “The car is definitely a James Young Phantom V, as James Young was out of the coachbuilding business by the time the Phantom VI was available. In fact, from looking at "Rolls-Royce: The Classic Elegance," by Lawrence Dalton, there is pictured on p. 280 a James Young that is very similar to the one that Vilero is trying to find out about. I'm not sure if the one pictured is the same car or not: the one in the book has a slightly different paint scheme, a very slightly different line to the rear of the rear door window, and landau irons that look just a tiny bit different. However, we can say for sure that the car in the movie is a James Young bodied Phantom V, done to James Young design number PV22, and that it was modified to enclose the rear quarter windows and to add the phony landau irons. The car in the book is 5LVA105, a left hand drive Phantom V, James Young body number 9173 and design number PV22, delivered in August 1963 to W. J. McCoy. The car in the movie may well be the same car; if not, it's a near duplicate that was done by James Young. In any case, the car in the movie is a James Young Phantom V, design no. PV22." A very polite (and quick) answer. Thanks to RROC.
night cub ◊ 2012-10-24 18:13	Replaced main pic.
park-ward ◊ 2014-08-27 08:39	I'm sorry to disagree but this is not 5LVA105. The owner of 5LVA105 sent me photos and they show a different car. 5LVA105 is a factory 4-light saloon with special rear window frames (rounded at the top. This one has a sharp 90° angle, i.e. it's not a factory job. The car in the film is a 6-light limo converted to 4-lights. BTW, the owner of 5LVA105 is a PV & PVI expert and collector but he doesn't know the chassis number of the car in the film.
Ecclesley ◊ 2017-02-17 08:31	The car shown is not 5LVA105, the car which is also often called HIS. This car is probably James Young design PV16HT chassis 5LVF91, engine F45PV, delivered Feb 67 to Mr. W.J. Levitt, USA. The car is now in the Netherlands. It has the square rear window frame. Originally ordered through JY with Rolls Royce knowing all about it, see the correspondig letter in the picture. Regarding the difference between a PV and a PVI. Let me start by saying that Rolls Royce was in serious doubt whether to apply the type PVI designation or leave it to be a PV. During the external development of the PV it changed to what I would call a P5,25 next P5,5 then P5,75 and finally it was called the P6. For instance there are PVI models with suicide doors which may lead you to think it is a PV. The final production of PVI models even show Silver Shadow components like headlight sets, reason: shortage of Phantom parts. To be sure whether it is a PV or a PVI requires the chassis number. For those who are interested, buy Martin Bennett's book: The Postwar Phantoms. Here a picture of 5LVF91. -- Last edit: 2017-02-17 09:15:12
Phantomrex ◊ 2017-08-30 22:00	This car is a Phantom V, James Young (probably PV15 looking at the large area where the window once was, now covered with landau irons). You do not need a chassis number to tell a PV from a PVI but it will always help to have one! Look at the aerial-overhead picture, look down to the area beneath the windscreen wipers; there is no air vent. ALL Phantom VI cars, beginning in 1968, had the air vents beneath the windscreen because of the new air conditioning units installed. No Phantom V had the air vents beneath the front windscreen. The Phantom VI had suicide doors up till mid 1972 when European safety regulations made RR hinge the doors at the 'b' pillar. Also, the PVI usually always has a small orange sidelamp situated just above the middle of the front wheel arch. Besides, the car is clearly a James Young Phantom...James Young ceased to be in 1967 and never made a Phantom VI body. -- Last edit: 2017-08-30 22:12:46

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