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◊ 2010-09-20 21:43 |
Rambler American... |
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◊ 2010-09-21 03:25 |
Wouldn't a 2-door be labeled as a coupe? Notchback coupe? |
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◊ 2010-09-21 14:01 |
 How come so many people think that a two-door car has to be a coupé ??? |
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◊ 2010-09-21 15:58 |
1960. The '58's and '59's had nameplates toward the upper back of the front fenders just ahead of the doors while the '60's moved them to the leading edge of the front fenders. (I agree, not all 2-doors are coupes. I do wish this site had more available categories such as 2-door and 4-door hardtops to differentiate from sedans and coupes.) -- Last edit: 2010-09-21 16:01:14 |
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◊ 2010-09-21 16:20 |
After my previous comment (which made clear that this is to be regarded as a sedan, I'd say) I changed the category back from coupé to sedan, now again it is listed as a coupé... I must admit that it is sometimes not really clear how to list it, but this Rambler American really has nothing to do with a coupé! |
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◊ 2010-09-21 17:06 |
Why don't you regard this as a coupe, DynaMike? It is a 2-door car not styled like a 2-door sedan (basically a 4-door sedan with no rear door). I feel coupe listing is correct. Haven't we been listing all non-convertible 2-door cars as coupes all along, reserving the "sedan" name for non-limo 4 doors? (Again, we REALLY need more categories! We should have "4-door sedan", "2-door sedan", "coupe", "4-door hardtop" and "2-door hardtop" to choose from.) BTW, this is a Deluxe 1960 model since there is no side spear. Will add that to ID. -- Last edit: 2010-09-21 17:15:42 |
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◊ 2010-09-21 18:37 |
For me a family car designed to seat people in front and rear is a sedan, regardless if it's go two or four doors. A coupé is a car with a streamlined roof pretending to be more sporty than roomy. For exemple Volkswagen Beetle is a sedan (even though it's only got two doors), a Karmann Ghia a coupé. Or compare /vehicle_59014-DAF-55-5502-1970.html with /vehicle_118472-DAF-55-Coupe-5504-1972.html -- Last edit: 2010-09-21 18:40:07 |
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◊ 2010-09-21 18:42 |
I think same as DynaMike even about 2-door BMW E30. It isn't coupe, just sedan. |
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◊ 2010-09-21 19:37 |
I see it a little differently. I see a 2 door sedan as basically a 4 door sedan with no rear doors while still having SPACE for 4. A coupe is styled such that there does not appear to be room for a rear door - as if the body was created for a 2-door design only. However, I can see your point - and all the more reason to have more categories as I stated in my post earlier today. |
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◊ 2010-09-21 20:36 |
Until this site I thought that a coupe was a 2-door car and a sedan was a 4-door car, but I think maybe that is just because that is how modern cars in the US are marketed by the manufacturers... |
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◊ 2010-09-22 15:00 |
And some manufacturers sell 4-doors coupés  The more categories we have, the more listing errors we will get. We have "sedan" which includes 2 & 4 door sedans & hardtops, and "coupé" which gets coupés and some 2-door liftback. |
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◊ 2010-09-22 15:29 |
I would think the accuracy would IMPROVE with more categories to choose from. Also, with so many knowledgeable eyes here, there will always be someone to correct any listing errors just as there are for years and series designations. |
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◊ 2010-09-22 15:34 |
For me, I considered a coupe as rear fixed windows while 2 door sedan has rear roll down/up windows. For example, my first car, 1972 SAAB 99E has rear fixed windows that only open with a knob. My 1979 Buick LeSabre and 1988 Oldsmoble Cutlass Calais has fixed rear windows. Those are considered coupe to me. To make the matter worse, the Chevrolet full size from the 1950's and 1960's has both hardtop coupe and 2 door sedan that has rear window roll down/up. Comments? |
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◊ 2010-09-22 16:34 |
I think we have different perspectives between continents. US and perhaps Japan produce 2 and 4 door sedans and sometimes 2 and 4 door hardtops (essentially sedans without a B-pillar, so all the windows can be rolled down to leave the sides open). US coupes tend to be described as fastbacks or notchbacks (eg 60s or 70s Mustangs). Europeans produce 2 and 4 door saloons and 2 door coupes - with the coupe usually having a slanted rear line, reduced rear window area etc; sometimes it's sporty, sometimes not. Opel Kadett B is unusual in having 2 and 4 door saloons and 2 and 4 door coupes, but is a useful illustration of the European terminology. Many other 60s/70s German models have 2 door coupes and 2 door saloons in same range (eg Rekords, Taunus, VW 1600). European hardtops are usually a sporty convertible with a fixed roof (eg Merc 230SL, Stag etc). The US usages do not match European and vice versa, so additional categories would not be an obvious solution. I think we're stuck with our differing interpretations, but don't see it as a real problem because neither is inaccurate within its usage. We'll always have to use individual model-based judgement - nobody really considers the original Fiat 127 2 door a coupe, despite its slanted rear line. -- Last edit: 2010-09-22 16:41:10 |
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◊ 2010-09-22 17:19 |
But what's the interest of such accuracy? Current categories were made to allow to do search in cars, for wagons it can be quite useful. But If you search on a model name, it nearly never exist in so many body styles as what you listed, no? And seeing all the errors with current categories, for me it will also increase a lot the category errors. -- Last edit: 2010-09-22 17:20:17 |
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◊ 2010-09-22 19:33 |
I guess it wouldn't REALLY matter if you can't filter by body type but I have always hated listing something as a "sedan" when it was actually a hardtop. For example, the '56 Olds came as both a 4-door sedan and a 4-door hardtop but as things stand now, we would have to list both as "sedans". |
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