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Ingo ◊ 2010-11-02 20:31	This is the new dream-car of my wife. No idea why. What shall be special with it? Just annother modern-looking SUV-fake with many plastic around. O.k., it shall have a very economical Diesel-engine, but I cannot see anything extraordinary in it. Sure, I'm not willing and able to develop any interest in modern cars at all. My wife has shown me some test-articles. The biggest thing, which nerves me is, that it's too small If it would be bigger, it wouldn't fit into our garage - then I could annex it for my K 70. P.S. 1400kg towing-capacity is not really enough for my interest. -- Last edit: 2010-11-02 21:33:22
sixcyl ◊ 2010-11-02 20:43	ingo wrote Sure, I'm not willing and able to develop any interest in modern cars at all... Nice to see I'm not alone ingo wrote This is the new dream-car of my wife. Change your wife
G-MANN ◊ 2010-11-02 21:07	ingo wrote I'm not willing and able to develop any interest in modern cars at all. That's a fuddy-duddy attitude Mind you, I'll feel the same if cars end up being nearly all like SUVs/MPVs one day. -- Last edit: 2010-12-08 03:05:49
Sandie ◊ 2010-11-02 21:18	It is a 'meh' car. It does not excite me at all. They are quite popular around here though. It's only been available a couple of months but there more than a couple around.
Ingo ◊ 2010-11-02 21:27	G-MANN wrote That's a fuddy-duddy attitude I'm feeling fine with this attitude since 1983. . Back then I decided to adopt it willingly. You know why? Due Ford Sierra, Mercedes W 201, Golf II, Citroen BX, Mazda 626. -- Last edit: 2010-11-02 21:34:13
Ingo ◊ 2010-11-02 21:30	sixcyl wrote Nice to see I'm not alone Change your wife If my wife would have also a strong classic-car-faible, I would have more trouble with garage-space.
G-MANN ◊ 2010-11-02 22:34	ingo wrote I'm feeling fine with this attitude since 1983. . Back then I decided to adopt it willingly. You know why? Due Ford Sierra, Mercedes W 201, Golf II, Citroen BX, Mazda 626. What was wrong with the VW Golf II, it wasn't that different to the Golf I (even looks better I think). You're entitled to your opinion but 13 years old (your profile says you were born in 1970) is quite young to have a "don't make 'em like they used to" mindset. -- Last edit: 2010-11-02 22:43:54
130rapid ◊ 2010-11-02 23:01	sixcyl wrote Nice to see I'm not alone Me too. I don't know why people in Europe buy SUVs instead classic station wagons. Somebody bamboolized they need it. What for? To push more air on motorway? To pull & stop more weight on city traffic? The SUV is disastrous wastage of energy. All this silly Start & Stop and other "green" saving fuel systems in SUVs are resolving of problem which shouldn't exist! However some drivers feel better & braver when sit higher. The only advantage of higher position behind steering wheel (for me) is less blinding risk in dark by oncoming traffic.
Ingo ◊ 2010-11-02 23:05	Shape and design are ugly. I was really horrified, when I saw the first pics of a Golf II. Yes, I'd been 12/13 years old back then, when I made this decision (which I'm still holding sustained). I'd been interested in cars since Kindergarten-times, so I was quite well orientated about the car-fleet, visible on the streets back then. I even have decided "When I'll be grown up, I will be driving a K 70" in my early childhood, no kidding. Fathers of playfellows had two white ones. My father hadn't one, just a 8/1967 VW 1300 and then a 9/1973 VW Passat LS. I liked the shape of dashboard , the back and the pre-1974 steering-wheel of the K 70. Sure, the people, family, friends, school-fellows, had loughed about my intention - and made big eyes, when I did it and have bought my first K 70, my first own car in July 1990. I've also stopped to read actual car-magazines like "auto motor und sport" in 1982/83 and turned to the "Oldtimer Markt". This hadn't changed either until today.
Ingo ◊ 2010-11-02 23:07	130rapid wrote Somebody bamboolized they need it. What for? To tow a trailer, loaded with a classic car.
Sandie ◊ 2010-11-02 23:11	130rapid wrote The only advantage of higher position behind steering wheel (for me) is less blinding risk in dark by oncoming traffic. A lot of people seem to buy 4x4s solely for that reason. Or so they feel 'safe' which they don't understand comes at the expense of other's safety. If you tow a lot, or you do off roading, or you live in the sticks then I can understand. But in the city it is unfathomable. Even the police are at this. Today I saw a police Discovery in the centre of Edinburgh. Why do they need a £40,000 4x4 in the city? And as for these and similar 'Crossovers' I don't see what is wrong with a hatchback like a Golf or an Astra. Okay they are more economic and environmentally friendly than a 4x4 but less so than a hatchback. Now, I do to an extent like proper 4x4s with serious ability but these aren't that. They are all fart and no shit to coin a phrase. Does this even have a all wheel drive sysytem?
130rapid ◊ 2010-11-02 23:28	ingo wrote To tow a trailer, loaded with a classic car. Buy good cared MB W124 with some high torque engine & automatic transmission. It will do this job even better and trouble-free.
Ingo ◊ 2010-11-02 23:29	130rapid wrote All this silly Start & Stop and other "green" saving fuel systems in SUVs are resolving of problem which shouldn't exist! I'm thinking -without kidding, really seriously- in case of all this modern technology (not only car-related) about something else: environment, energy-balance and political/human reasons. All the needed basic commodities, the material and the intermediat products, where they are coming from? How and by whom they were mined/made/assembled? I've visited that place in 2006 and it was horrifying: Link to "www.google.de" This place, too, also in 2006: http://www.radio101.de/otzenrath/ Even more horrifying. There are much worse facts, too - have you thought bout where the Coltan is coming from, when you are using your mobile phone? Or Lead? Gold? Quicksilver? Cinc? Have you thought about, where and by whom the computer, you are using right now, will be recycled? Sure, this sounds very "Green", but it's worth to think about. My political opinion and position is different, this I have to point out (that it's becoming neccessary in Germany to elect these people, just to get rid of the acutal governing dilettantes, is annother question and not directly related).
Neptune ◊ 2010-11-02 23:32	This is called the Outlander Sport in the U.S., new for 2011. Sandie wrote Does this even have a all wheel drive sysytem? It is available with a "All-Wheel Control" (AWC) active all-wheel drive system with a driver selectable Lock mode, which locks the front and rear drive shafts together, creating a permanent front-to-rear 50/50 torque distribution (a necessity for any type of off road use) but it does not have low range off road reduction gearing to multiply torque for slow off road crawling. The ability to lock the torque distribution means it would be better than, say a BMW X1.
Ingo ◊ 2010-11-02 23:33	130rapid wrote Buy good cared MB W124 with some high torque engine & automatic transmission. It will do this job even better and trouble-free. There are more stylish possibilities. Otherwise: their high towing capacity and stabile chassis-construction was their death-sentence decades ago. I mean the BMW 501/502 and the Opel Diplomat's.
cl82 ◊ 2010-11-02 23:33	Funny to read this discussion about the ASX. They were launched in Germany in June or so, and I still haven't seen a single one so far. Strangely my father almost bought one two weeks ago when he suddenly decided he needed a new car. He asked me about my opinion, but I couldn't tell him much as it's a brand new car. I recommended him to buy a used A2 with low mileage instead, but I knew it was hopeless. I know Mitsubishi has had severe financial and quality issues some years ago, but I think they solved their problems more or less. Of course it's a pseudo-SUV, but I think the styling isn't too bad; at least it looks more aggressive and not as bland as most cars today. And as far as "crossovers" are concerned: I share your opinion, Sandy. To me, they're pointless and a waste of precious resources, as 130rapid stated, but my father who has turned 60 earlier this year says the higher position of the driver seat and the soft suspension is more comfortable for his bad back. He blames the 3 Series BMWs he had in the 80s and 90s for that.
Ingo ◊ 2010-11-02 23:37	Sandie wrote Does this even have a all wheel drive system? The lower trim-line, my wife is interested, is not 4x4.
G-MANN ◊ 2010-11-02 23:39	ingo wrote Shape and design are ugly. But the shape is pretty similar to the old one 130rapid wrote Buy good cared MB W124 with some high torque engine & automatic transmission. It will do this job even better and trouble-free. Might not be easy to find one which isn't quite worn or has a high milage (it's quite an old car now). Most few people want something relatively new for a reliable towcar. -- Last edit: 2010-11-02 23:43:08
Ingo ◊ 2010-11-02 23:45	@cl82: the Audi A2 is reliable and useful (our club-webmaster is totally happy with his two A2's, as he told me last weekend again), but it has an ugly disadvantage: the repairing-costs. Especially the prices for body-parts and crash-repairs are horrible. Due the aluminium-construction a lot of repairs, common for other cars, cannot be done. It's my wife's daily work, the claim-settlement in an insurance-company (mine, too, but she is busy with car-crashes, me with damaged houses), an the incredible high repair-prices for the Audi A2 made her decision, not to buy one (she seriously had thought about it before). -- Last edit: 2010-11-02 23:49:25
Sandie ◊ 2010-11-02 23:45	ingo wrote The lower trim-line, my wife is interested, is not 4x4. I've just found out that the cheapest 4wd version is £21,000! That is about the same as a decent Ford Mondeo or an entry level Land Rover Freelander! On the A2 it was the right car just over five years too soon. If Audi were selling it now they would be unable to meet demand. -- Last edit: 2010-11-02 23:47:49
Ingo ◊ 2010-11-02 23:48	G-MANN wrote But the shape is pretty similar to the old one No it isn't, absolutely not. The clear Giugiaro-lines were replaced by something swollen potato-ish.
130rapid ◊ 2010-11-02 23:49	cl82 wrote To me, they're pointless and a waste of precious resources, as 130rapid stated, but my father who has turned 60 earlier this year says the higher position of the driver seat and the soft suspension is more comfortable for his bad back. He blames the 3 Series BMWs he had in the 80s and 90s for that. If your father have some petrol in arteries he may return soon to some good standard car. My 60+ uncle (the priest) had "the owning incident" with Renault Modus 1.5 dCi. He bought it after few years with not awesome Renault Megane 1.6 90 HP, because easier entry/exit which made troubles with his back lesser. Sold it soon and purchased Fiat Bravo 1.9 JTD, 120 HP. The troubles with back proved less important than more joy of driving.
Ingo ◊ 2010-11-02 23:52	Sandie wrote I've just found out that the cheapest 4wd version is £21,000! That is about the same as a decent Ford Mondeo or an entry level Land Rover Freelander! In Germany it's starting price of 17.990 € is identical with the Skoda Yeti. The VW Tiguan -the Freelander for sure, too- is more expensive. Even the same-sized Kia, due the fact, that the ASX has the most options and features included, which cost extra charge at the other makes.
Ingo ◊ 2010-11-02 23:57	130rapid wrote My 60+ uncle (the priest) My brain-windings are going their way again... Just this afternoon I thought about the car of the second last Pope. Because I saw one: a 1978 Ford Escort. More interesting was that it (a German LHD-car) was lashed on a trailer with British plates, towed by a British Landrover, going westbound on the A2.
cl82 ◊ 2010-11-03 00:01	Yes, I know about the repairing-costs, but apart from that the car doesn't have too many disadvantages. I was quite surprised myself a couple of years ago when I saw that the TÜV and ADAC-statistics which showed that the A2 had turned out to be a reliable little car. I had been suspicious before because I had worked at the assembly line in Neckarsulm during school holidays in 2000 during the launch of the A2. It was mere chaos. One year later, the situation had improved much. Still, the repairing-costs were not the decisive factor (as my father is "Vollkasko"-insured); it was simply the fact that the last ones were made in 2005, and my father considers that far too old and risky. He always shakes his head when he sees my 17-year old VW and asks me why I am torturing myself which such a lemon. To cut a long story short- he ended up buying a Golf Plus. Well. it's not my business anyway.
G-MANN ◊ 2010-11-03 00:07	ingo wrote No it isn't, absolutely not. The clear Giugiaro-lines were replaced by something swollen potato-ish. We are talking about the Golf that came out in 1983? To me it doesn't look that different from the one it replaced.
cl82 ◊ 2010-11-03 00:18	@130rapid: Good story , but my father is a hopeless case as far as cars are concerned. Your uncle is probably a petrol-head compared to my father. Apart from E30s BMWs and a Ford Escort MkI and a NSU Prinz and an Ami6( all three more than 30 years ago) he's driven nothing but boring although reasonable cars.
Ingo ◊ 2010-11-03 00:27	cl82 wrote he ended up buying a Golf Plus. The car, which includes a little bit K 70 A friend of mine took care of that. He worked for a sub-contractor, where Volkswagen let construct the interior. He wilfully included a part with a 481...-part-number, a screw for the seat belt-fixture.
Ingo ◊ 2010-11-03 00:42	G-MANN wrote We are talking about the Golf that came out in 1983? To me it doesn't look that different from the one it replaced. Yes, the Golf II. Hey G-Mann, please don't disappoint me. It seems, you getting into kooshmeister's footsteps. He is not able to recognize, how the 1974+ US-regulations have destroyed shape and design of finally all US-imported cars. Just for your personal comparision: /vehicle.php?id=13690#Comment824351 /vehicle_145027-Volkswagen-Golf-Typ-19E-1984.html
G-MANN ◊ 2010-11-03 00:59	I know what the Mk1 and Mk2 Golf looks like but I still believe the basic shape is quite similar. I don't think Golf II doesn't look looks "potato-like", the Golf III is closer to that description (not that I have any real problem with its design) -- Last edit: 2010-11-03 01:00:39
dsl ◊ 2010-11-03 13:06	ingo wrote Just this afternoon I thought about the car of the second last Pope. Because I saw one: a 1978 Ford Escort. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4389652.stm
130rapid ◊ 2010-11-03 13:29	ingo wrote Just this afternoon I thought about the car of the second last Pope. Well, I must a bit agrrive you. :P Whole stories about JPII cars are just smart marketing of sellers. Karol Wojtyła well John Paul II wasn't petrol-head at all. According claims of his driver in 1962-1978 period, Mr Józef Mucha, Wojtyła never had private car and driving licence even. He was only VIP passanger of Curch's curia cars: post-war Chevrolet (shortly), Warszawa M-20, Wolga M21, Opel Admiral or Opel Kapitan. Every car he got as somebody gift was sold immediately for charitable purposes. That's what happened with brand new Ford LTD - the gift for JPII from Polish emigrants in US. -- Last edit: 2010-11-04 16:05:59
Ingo ◊ 2010-11-03 18:25	A propos: Link to "cgi.ebay.de" Btw.: @130rapid: does your uncle have some closer connections to Rome? You see, what you can earn... -- Last edit: 2010-11-03 18:27:41
130rapid ◊ 2010-11-04 16:05	ingo wrote Btw.: @130rapid: does your uncle have some closer connections to Rome? You see, what you can earn... No, he's "straight" priest reigning the parish with 1600 souls.

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