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1971 Firenza Saloon 2 litre [HC] Class: Cars, Sedan — Model origin: 
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![1971 Firenza Saloon 2 litre [HC]](/i499789.jpg)
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◊ 2012-05-07 18:20 |
Vauxhall Magnum? |
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◊ 2012-05-07 19:49 |
Quad headlights, so either a Viva 1300 GLS or a Magnum. |
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◊ 2012-05-07 20:20 |
Wheeltrims say its not a Magnum or Viva 1300GLS 1972-4 Viva 1800 (1759cc) and Viva 2300 (2279cc) slant 4cyl ohc engine, Black grille 4 h/lamp, I think - as I remember it- but needs confirmation. UK models, so some export models could be different. -- Last edit: 2012-05-07 20:37:19 |
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◊ 2012-05-07 20:55 |
From imdb, locations are US or CDN with CDN being the only possibility for genuine local Viva (but I can't confirm sales there, let alone engines). My hunch is export spec poverty early Viva HC with CDN lights - plain initial hubcaps without trims, minimal if any coachlines and flat green (non-metallic). Has black window trims like UK Viva E, not chromed. |
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◊ 2012-05-07 21:04 |
Going by the architecture, I'm sure that this is Montreal. |
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◊ 2012-05-07 21:24 |
A couple more meanderings. The grille looks like early UK spec Firenza - Magnum and later had more black applied. Mk3 Cortinas were also sold in CDN - normal bumpers 70-72, then rubber girder for 73my - so this Vauxhall probably 71/72 only. Early HC engines in UK were only 1159cc (until July 71 replaced by 1256cc) and 1599cc (until March 72, replaced by 1800c and 2300cc). -- Last edit: 2012-05-08 16:51:22 |
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◊ 2012-05-07 23:52 |
![[:crazy]](https://imcdb.opencommunity.be/images/smileys/crazy.gif "[:crazy]") The quad headlights and black grille had me confused there ... was it standard on the CDN-spec Vivas, or is it an aftermarket customisation? |
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◊ 2012-05-08 00:01 |
I recall reading somewhere that the HC Viva was sold as Firenza in Canada. Anyone confirm? |
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◊ 2012-05-08 00:10 |
^ bullseye! 1970-73 only - http://www.vivaoutlaws.co.uk/gallery/members/can.html - and only sold with 2 litre engine. Several photos - http://www.flickr.com/photos/daveseven/465484885/ , Link to "www.britishcarforum.com" , Link to "www.flickr.com" , all with more side trim, wing badge and side markers, which make me think this one is 71my only. |
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tom11 ◊ 2012-12-14 04:08 |
In Canada, it was simply Firenza, not Vauxhall http://www.flickr.com/photos/njsimca/sets/72157623763145564/ |
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◊ 2012-12-14 04:16 |
And from the same source, some things for dsl: http://www.flickr.com/photos/njsimca/sets/72157623722923577/ |
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◊ 2012-12-14 04:30 |
@tom11 - we now have a new make. @sandie - brilliant - thanks a lot. Much useful stuff. @ingo - the mythical German Sunbeam Sceptre may yet exist - Link to "www.flickr.com" (unless it's Austrian or German-speaking bits of somewhere else???). @ingo and walter - NSU in US - http://www.flickr.com/photos/njsimca/sets/72157609899632752/ . -- Last edit: 2012-12-14 04:58:56 |
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tom11 ◊ 2012-12-14 04:33 |
Wait a second! This ad says that they were sold by Pontiac?!?!? http://www.mclellansautomotive.com/photos/B23742.jpg  |
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◊ 2012-12-14 04:35 |
Fairly logical to assume they were sold from Pontiac dealers but the cars carried no Pontiac branding, in much the same way Mercury dealers sold the Capri. |
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◊ 2012-12-14 04:40 |
I think Pontiac distributed the 50s and 60s Vauxhalls as well in CDN. |
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◊ 2012-12-14 06:11 |
The specific Sceptre itself is not mythical, it existed really. I'd say it exist still today, at it became known after an article in a classic car magazine (I just cannot find the issue, maybe it's one of those, I gave to 130rapid). It was sold shortly afterwards, I saw it by myself on the http://www.veterama.de/de/home It was said, that it was one of the very few, very single Sceptres (at least Rootes-products at all) officially sold in Germany. IIRC the article, the papers as manual and brochures were still in it, but I cannot say, if they were specially made for Germany. Maybe they made just one version of manual and sales brochure in German and have used it for all German speaking countries. Those Rootes-brochures in German, I've spotted on spare parts markets, had dealer's stamps from Austria, Switzerland or Luxemburg. I only know, that Volkswagen has used specific number-codes for sales brochures for different countries -although the language was the same, so for Austria and Switzerland, too |
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