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◊ 2016-07-07 01:22 |
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◊ 2016-07-07 05:58 |
S-V CR76-59 with Katrineholm body [AB Svenska Karosseri Verkstäderna), registered 07.10.1966 to A/L Trondheim Trafikkselskap Edit: Info added -- Last edit: 2016-07-07 06:29:48 |
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◊ 2016-07-07 09:48 |
I agree this is a Scania-Vabis CR 76 and that it was partly made by SKV in Katrineholm, but I believe it was never labelled SKV. That is similar to many Scania (and Scania-Vabis) buses made in the house from Capitol and onwards. 1966 was the first year the CR 76 was made, and could be used as default year if no other information is available. |
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◊ 2016-07-07 10:20 |
Also "Katrineholm" is unnecessary as no SKV buses were ever named after the town were they were made. Please remove that. |
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◊ 2016-07-07 10:23 |
Well it was owned - or partly owned - by Scania, wasn't it, and could be seen as a part of the Scania plant |
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◊ 2016-07-07 10:42 |
If neither SVK or Katrineholm were never applied to these buses, should the field be left blank? But if it was a Scania body, then it should be left blank indeed. -- Last edit: 2016-07-07 10:43:00 |
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◊ 2016-07-07 10:45 |
Can't say for sure for these older models - but the 'Katrineholm' seems to have been used by Scania later in production |
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◊ 2016-07-07 10:50 |
It has also been used earlier here in imcdb |
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◊ 2016-07-08 16:30 |
The problem with “in the house” manufacturing is that it’s very difficult to pinpoint exactly where a specific model was made, and to what extent. Trying to identify things here on the imcdb is difficult enough as it is, even if a few data is not mentioned. Originally there were a huge number of body manufacturers in Sweden, as well as in Norway – I’ve seen a page mention plenty, and it’s quite some task to separate them, I can’t. But, the thing is that bus manufacturing wasn’t a great part of the production of a manufacturer up to the 60’s, and as there where a lot of different demands depending on where the bus was to be used, it would have been too costly to make it “in the house”. However, that changed when Sweden changed from left hand drive to right hand drive in 1967, and both Scania (then called Scania-Vabis) and Volvo bought some independent coach manufacturer in order to make some money partly to make new buses and partly to rebuild old buses to be used in the new traffic. Otherwise people have to get in and out of the buses in the middle of the street. The problem is that Scania (and Scania-Vabis) built buses on at least two plants, one in Katrineholm and one in Södertälje, and after the takeover nor were they ever labelled SKV Katrineholm nor Södertälje. The same can be said of the cabin manufacturers where Scania bought Be-Ge (Oskarshamn) (in 1966) while Volvo bought Gösta Nyström (Umeå) in 1964. Before those days they were labelled as of their manufacturer name, but afterwards as by the parent company. The last SKV body was this one http://www.tugboatlars.se/ScaniaBuss.htm (first one). Scania CF 76 made in Södertälje http://www.stinsensforum.se/post119029.html . -- Last edit: 2016-07-09 10:09:12 |
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◊ 2016-07-08 18:28 |
Feel free to delete any info you like  |
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◊ 2016-07-09 10:08 |
I'm not any of the admins, just trying to make this as trustworthy as possible. |
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◊ 2016-07-24 15:17 |
Just to clarify a few things. I believe your comments, dear Tore-40, together with a few others like dsl and johnfromstaff, are amongst the most trustworthy here on imcdb, and I have to thank you for them. But I’m sometimes concerned that you see me as a person that always want to show that I know the most. That is very far from the truth. My aim on this page is to be as accurate as possible, as a few things I’ve seen lately has made me worry. In 2015 as a means to celebrate the Volvo 240 a Swedish magazine stated that that model had appeared in a set number of films, a number that happened to coincide with the number of films that had been dealt with here on imcdb, not realizing this is an ongoing project and not something that can be taken as a fact. Also I read in a British magazine which numbered 100 car related things which one, if interested, ought to do to make life complete. They mentioned imcdb, but thought it was really something for nerds and advised people not to try as it was almost without faults. That makes me worry as the whole Internet is an experimental workshop, not something that is written in stone, but a give and take which might lead to something, and thus worth wile. Also Wikipedia, which by its founder, and many more, is considered a trustworthy source isn’t better than the last person’s point of view, and very unreliable if dealing with a rare subject. Even more worrying as Wikipedia since a few years ago is accredited as a reliable and trustworthy source by universities and high schools in Sweden. That is what I’ve heard “from an usually reliable source”. As an attempt to avoid confusion I try to be as accurate as possible, and as a base for my comments here I use car brochures I’ve collected since the mid 70’s together with spare parts catalogues, specialist books and “hands on” experience of a few cars I’ve come across, and owned. I’m not infallible, not in any way, but sometimes I like to investigate how certain somebody is, when writing a comment. I hope we are friends? PS 1: I tried to write something like this just after I’ve posted the last comment, that is as an edited comment. But I was logged out while I wrote, and hence my comment disappeared in thin air. That has happened a few times. Question to admin: Why such a short period of inactivity before being logged out? PS 2: The reason for my late comment is that life has intervened. |
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◊ 2016-07-24 21:27 |
Thanks for your vote of confidence, nuff said. For this old Vabis I think you may have got it a little bit wrong. I have no doubt you have a lot more info on Swedish cars, trucks or buses than what I have. That is a fact, and not a competition. My point was that if it is better to not use the factory, or its location in the listing, then it should be omitted. But then there could be visitors looking for just vehicles made here, whos search would return no hits. List like now, using the info field, perhaps with a 'made by' inserted? Or just in the comments? True, it is all available out there. Do a search for '1966 Scania-Vabis Katrineholm' and this page pops up - on my search as number seven. So you should be aware it's all public, freely available, and beeing read. But any info here is not an absolute truth. Nothing on the web is. Btw, in this search the Swedish 'Svensk Busshistoria/Bussdatabasen på nätet' showed up as well. They also give the same body builder info. For the inactivity logout, that could be a local issue. Try checking the 'Auto-login' the next time you visit here. Works for me. |
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◊ 2016-07-24 23:10 |
Ditto. I'm dangerously close to spontaneous combustion after that tribute. |
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◊ 2016-07-27 10:14 |
@tore-40: I agree that information should be available at all times, but then it's the always present question to choose what information which is important. Sometimes there are too much information present. I totally agree that this bus was made in Katrineholm at the former SKV plant, but it was never marketed as such. The "SKV Katrineholm" should be removed. If not agreeing, we have a huge problem. Companies is being, and have been, bought at all time all around the world. Some are closed down, but some comes under the umbrella of a parent company. One example is that Mercedes built hgv's in the former Hanomag-Henschel hgv plant in Kassel until 1980 (and axels are still being built there), another is that MAN are making hgv's in the former Büssing plant in Salzgitter. But surely we're not renaming them? Also using the name of the town were the company is being located is wrong. When SKV existed as an independent company they were branded "SKV" WITHOUT the "Katrineholm" suffix. If not agreeing we should add the town where all vehicles have been made, not just SKV. Some examples are "VBK Horten", "Arna Arnatveit, Bergen", "Van Hool Lier, Belgium or in Zaragosa, Spain or in the US". It will be very complicated and not to be recommended. |
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◊ 2016-07-27 11:30 |
No problem, keep it simple. The bus on this page would be one of the last buses made before the takeover, wouldn't it? |
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◊ 2016-07-27 17:26 |
No, it's the first to be made after the takeover. I have a book at home which lists all the important years when plants were bought all over Sweden, it's called "Vi på Scania" (We at Scania), printed some time in the early 70's. I'll try to find it. Otherwise I have a book published by Scania to celebrate their centennary in 1991. It's called "Scania Kavalkad" and under "Scania 76, 1966-1971" it clearly says Scania-Vabis as coach builder. That is not strange as Scania-Vabis had a history of building buses and coaches. Mostly in Södertälje, but after having bought SKV they apparantly moved all bus building to Katrineholm and concentrating assembling hgv's in Södertälje (that I read in another Scania book today, which means I was wrong earlier). -- Last edit: 2016-07-27 17:45:16 |
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◊ 2016-07-27 19:41 |
With that last remark, could an admin please correct the entry? |
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