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1946 Austin Twelve [HS1] Class: Cars, Sedan — Model origin: 
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![1946 Austin Twelve [HS1]](/i001321918.jpg)
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◊ 2019-11-21 19:31 |
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◊ 2019-11-21 23:16 |
If you have found any way of telling, for certain, a Twelve from a Sixteen, can you please tell us? There is no numberplate visible, and the film was made in 1954, so it could be either model. |
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◊ 2019-11-22 09:14 |
I haven't. I go for the lower option as is the practice. |
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◊ 2019-11-22 09:23 |
The Sixteen, (36,000) greatly outnumbered the Twelve (6,000), because it was a greatly superior car. As an export vehicle, the British horsepower tax would be less likely to apply, and I would suggest that the convention is misleading in this case. |
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◊ 2019-11-22 09:34 |
Except the Danish market was abundant with cheapskate versions, so in this case the regular perceptions for export don't necessarily apply. |
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◊ 2019-11-22 10:46 |
In a case like this, my view would be "unknown" but to list the options. /vehicle.php?id=1321901 -- Last edit: 2019-11-22 10:54:12 |
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◊ 2019-11-22 11:28 |
I prefer to go for the default option rather than to dawdle about by having it listed as unknown. The unknown list is crowded as it is. It has no need for another addition, especially not a product of uncertainty and hesitance. |
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◊ 2019-11-22 15:12 |
I disagree totally. By stating that as a fact, without either referring to a possible alternative or reverting to unknown you are reducing the veracity of the database. |
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◊ 2019-11-22 18:13 |
As the car appears rather tattered, I chose to look upon it as a pre-war car, leaving Twelve as the first and safest option. I could add "by default" or "or Sixteen" in extra info if that'll satisfy your demands. I will not list it as unknown as the category is reserved for vehicles that require identification, not nitpicky pinpointing. For that, the experts usually come to the identified entries to correct. I have been on this site long enough to know how it works. |
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◊ 2019-11-22 19:21 |
I make no demands, other than a search for correctness. If this database aspires to being a document of record, it is up to those of us who contribute to ensure that we do our best to ensure accuracy or to explain our suppositions. You have no more proof that this is a Twelve than I have that it is a Sixteen, but had I not asked the question, your original entry being left unexplained as it was could have been misinterpreted by others. The position now is that, at worst, it will be apparent that an alternative solution exists. -- Last edit: 2019-11-22 19:34:25 |
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◊ 2019-11-22 19:45 |
/vehicle.php?id=1321893 /vehicle.php?id=1126979 And I am not always correct! -- Last edit: 2019-11-22 20:09:51 |
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◊ 2019-11-22 19:56 |
http://www.austincounties.org.uk/?page_id=50 http://www.austincounties.org.uk/?page_id=48 Apparently the correct Type Designation for a 1939 Twelve is HRB. HS1 is only applicable from 1945. -- Last edit: 2019-11-22 20:00:01 |
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◊ 2019-11-22 20:48 |
Glass's confirms 1939 type as HRB. It also gives some chassis numbers: Sept 1939 HRB 74158 Sept 1945 HS1 76301 Jan 1947 HS1 81260 Nov 1947 discontinued - no final number given. Assuming every number became a car, it suggests 2143 HRB cars built before and during WW2, 4959 built postwar as HS1 Sept 45 to Jan 47 plus an unknown number Jan-Nov 47. A book says total Twelve production 1939-47 was 8698, giving a 1947 production of 1596. So prewar production was 2143, postwar 6555. For what it's worth same book gives Sixteen production total of 35,434 (all postwar); Glass's chassis numbers a bit confused but says Sept 45 start at 001 and had reached 26026 by Sept 48, discontinued March 49. So the total prewar/postwar balance is apparently 2143 to 41,989. |
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◊ 2019-11-22 21:24 |
You might want to change the others, then. |
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◊ 2019-11-22 23:02 |
Unlikely to be pre-war as almost nil export window following Sept 39 launch before hostilities closed everything down. |
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◊ 2019-11-23 00:14 |
Done into various pots. |
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