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s13a ◊ 2020-07-09 00:45
dsl ◊ 2020-07-09 00:53	JGN 802 was London, April-Dec 1947. Which I think is too early for a swoopy Humber.
supcoach ◊ 2020-07-09 00:56	Ford or Mercury??
skywatcher68 ◊ 2020-07-09 15:43	Fender creases suggest Ford but pre-war. Did British production take a while to catch up to the new style?
johnfromstaffs ◊ 2020-07-09 16:13	As far as I am aware, this is not British produced. The U.K. plants were still building the prewar V8 Pilot design until about 1950. After those stopped, the Consul/Zephyr Six replaced them, not big US style cars, which were unpopular due to high running costs. The flathead V8 was not a modern design, the ohv short stroke Consul and Zephyr units were a much better match for British needs. /vehicle_878225-Ford-V8-Pilot-E71A-1951.html The British station wagons were coachbuilt on the Pilot chassis. Canadian? Other possibility might be that it is a prewar import used with Gov’t plates until released for private sale and given a new plate. There was a severe shortage of cars in the late 40s early 50s here, and all kinds of strange things happened. -- Last edit: 2020-07-09 23:09:44
dsl ◊ 2020-07-09 16:19	Agree direct British build unlikely. But I think we have some post-war Cork builds of US/CDN origin woodies (can't remember the model names to find them) so may be a full Cork build or a chassis from Cork with English body??
johnfromstaffs ◊ 2020-07-09 16:24	Wouldn’t that be a Corky, not a woodie?
dsl ◊ 2020-07-09 17:44	johnfromstaffs wrote Wouldn’t that be a Corky? It would be Dandy if it was .....
johnfromstaffs ◊ 2020-07-09 18:14	A Beano answer!
dsl ◊ 2020-07-09 18:29	Found the one I was thinking of with link to this.
johnfromstaffs ◊ 2020-07-09 18:33	I thought that I was pretty good at writing bilge, but the auction house copy writers make me seem like an amateur.
johnfromstaffs ◊ 2020-07-17 22:25	Are we just undecided whether it is Ford or Mercury? Can't someone toss a coreplug?
Skid ◊ 2020-07-17 22:42	Note the lack of rear fender guards and the upward curve in the front fender crease. The 1941 Ford is the only Ford or Mercury of that era with those features.
johnfromstaffs ◊ 2020-07-17 22:43	So in that case it's a Ford?
Skid ◊ 2020-07-17 22:45	And a '41, specifically. Given the 1947 registration, I assume it was privately imported after the war.
johnfromstaffs ◊ 2020-07-17 22:50	Or in use of a Gov't Dept, but more likely what you suggest. Is it lhd? Come on admins, we've got an id here! 1941 Ford Woodie. -- Last edit: 2020-07-17 22:50:38
Gamer ◊ 2020-07-17 23:03	Skid wrote And a '41, specifically. Given the 1947 registration, I assume it was privately imported after the war. I rather think that there was no time to register it during those turbulent times.
johnfromstaffs ◊ 2020-07-17 23:17	It would not be allowed on the road unregistered. I would suggest it was a US citizen working here, who brought his car over. This outdoor shot would have been taken in Soho, right where the film industry was concentrated in Wardour St. In 1947 petrol was still virtually unobtainable here for the ordinary person due to forex and other difficulties. Large thirsty cars were not wanted by those who could afford a car,and the basic petrol ration would not have given much motoring. No doubt you would not view this as a large car in US, but here it was. A Rolls-Royce wasn't much bigger in engine size at 4257cc. -- Last edit: 2020-07-17 23:26:15
dsl ◊ 2020-07-17 23:24	RHD in 1st thumb, so private import unlikely and 1947 plate could be good. We have lots of registrations during WW2 so that part of the system was working. No obvious way of explaining the gap between 1941 and 1947, nor where RHD would have come from. Plus the possibility of bodywork being GB. Maybe we're back to Cork build as the only identifiable explanation??
johnfromstaffs ◊ 2020-07-17 23:28	Kicks my theory into touch, being rhd, but I still wonder how they got the petrol, which remained on ration in UK until 1950. Link to "www.1900s.org.uk" -- Last edit: 2020-07-17 23:32:43
dsl ◊ 2020-07-17 23:48	The other theoretical routes are a 1941 supply from CDN as part of its wartime support to UK, which was registered for military use until being sold off in 1947. Or maybe postwar supply from somewhere else in the Commonwealth such as ZA or Aus if they made any there. But I guess whoever brought it in would have had to get around a lot of bureaucracy. Or maybe - as an even longer long shot - it's an ex-embassy/diplomatic car.
the sad biker ◊ 2020-07-18 00:04	Wouldn't the Soho/Wardour St area be home turf for a young Arthur Daley and his chums? There's your petrol coupons Guv.
Sunbar ◊ 2020-07-18 12:13	Is there some sort of luggage box on the roof? I have run the part of the scene a number of times and I don't think the long black object is a shop sign from behind the estate car. edit: Closer inspection shows the 'box' has a slightly raised platform surface at the rear half of its length, and the spare wheel mounted at the front. Also the registration number is repeated on the inside of the upper tailgate. With the upper and lower tailgates both open its easy to film from inside the load area or even from the roof of the car perhaps? Immediate idea was perhaps a camera car in use by the movie company for camera equipment and perhaps filming cars in motion. Similar to this in Genevieve, Movie, 1953. -- Last edit: 2020-07-18 17:08:01
dsl ◊ 2021-03-19 04:24	Change of thinking after this discussion - the Irish idea is probably total pants for this example. More likely a 1941 CDN-supplied batch to UK war effort, many being demobbed in 47. So we could be talking C11 ADF for the macho version or C11 AS for more normal one, and this doesn't look so hardcore, so I vote C11 AS.
Sunbar ◊ 2023-10-21 20:11	Another probable appearance here /vehicle.php?id=1834553

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1941 Ford C11 AS De Luxe Station Wagon 'Woodie'

1941 Ford C11 AS in Soho Incident, Movie, 1956

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