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1895 Daimler Riemenwagen 3.7hp Vis-a-vis Class: Cars, Convertible — Model origin: 
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◊ 2024-01-15 19:33 |
No other view. Commentary suggests it was the first motor cars to arrive locally in Aberdeenshire, which instantly made contraptions like the Craigievar Express obsolete. No reg plate, so photo likely to be pre-1902. |
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◊ 2024-01-15 22:42 |
Daimler...2d car in Scotland .gif ";)") Link to "aberdeenvoice.com" |
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◊ 2024-01-16 00:59 |
 Good find - seems these were called Daimler Riemenwagen - also try googling for pictures. Some suggestion they were called Cannstatt-Daimler, but unclear if this was real, or a retrospective name brought in when Coventry Daimlers started in 1897. |
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◊ 2024-01-16 12:52 |
@dsl (and others): I've book at home called "The Dawn of Motoring - How the Car came to Britain" (published by Mercedes-Benz UK Ltd. in 1986 and written by Erik Johnson, ISBN 0-9510625-0-6). That it was published in 1986 is probably no coincidence as Mercedes then proudly celebrated the centenary of the car. Already at the front page is a picture of the above car, but from another direction Link to "www.google.com" . The text to page seven says it was built both in Cannstatt and Coventry, and on page 25 it says it's a 1894+ Daimler vis-a-vis 2 cylinder 3.7 hp Link to "www.google.com" . Vis-a-vis is an old French expression meaning the passengers are sitting facing each other. I will read the book and see if I come up with anything about this Aberdeenshire journey. |
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◊ 2024-01-16 13:35 |
I've got a couple of old Daimler (UK) books with dense long winded text, which suggest this car (a "Cannstatt-Daimler") was brought over by Frederick Simms in 1895 as a demonstrator to convince British investors to support plans to start builds in Coventry. A separate reference in the text suggests it was a 3½ hp, which probably matches the 3.7 hp figure given above. |
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◊ 2024-01-16 14:19 |
“The Daimler Motor Syndicate was formed in England in 1893 by F R Simms to exploit Gottlieb Daimler’s motor patents, but it was not until 1896 that the Coventry factory became active as part of H J Lawson’s empire. Though Daimler himself was a director until 1898, the English and German concerns pursued their separate ways. In the first two years cars were mostly imported, (from Bad Cannstatt: jfs) and early English Daimlers were 2-cylinder machines, largely on Panhard lines, with automatic inlet valves, tiller steering, tube ignition, 4-speed and reverse gearboxes, chain drive and solid tyres.” Georgano’s Encyclopaedia, Michael Sedgwick. Before the American contingent tell me that the “vacuum tube” wasn’t invented until 1906 by Lee de Forest, this is “hot tube” ignition. -- Last edit: 2024-01-16 14:28:39 |
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◊ 2024-01-17 11:01 |
@dsl (and others): (GER) Riemenwagen = (ENG) 'Belt driven car' is Mercedes-Benz classification for a number of cars made during the years 1895 until 1899. They also call it 'Motor-Kutsche' which can be translated into Motor coach (as of carriage) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coach_(carriage) . In order to narrow it down a little, would it be at all possible to call it vis-a-vis (because of how the body was made) and the amount of horsepower? I didn't find anything about the journey to Scotland in the book, but apparently Daimler had a keen eye to England since his days of apprentice. He did like Simms for a while, displayed his inventions at the first Chrystal Palace Exhibition, went along with him in the first London to Brighton Run but fell out when he realized Simms only was interested in making money. |
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◊ 2024-01-17 14:56 |
Entered as Riemenwagen 3.7hp Vis-a-vis. Can't trace any other reference to this one as Scotland's 2nd car or its arrival in Aberdeenshire, so fred1969's article is the only source. But Scotland's 1st car was a Paris-built Panhard & Levassor (possibly 3½ hp) imported by George Johnston of Glasgow from Antwerp to Leith docks in October 1895 "for mainly experimental purposes" (?!?), and 2 book sources say Scotland's 3rd car was another Panhard & Levassor 3½ hp brought in by Thomas Robert Barnewall Elliot (is having 4 names a bit greedy??) of Morebattle in Roxburghshire (  Sandie country??) who apparently became both the 9th Laird of Harwood and Scotland's first amateur motorist, covering 200 miles by March 1896 and being fined sixpence for "taking the road without having a flagman going ahead"  .The Vis-a-vis design seems to have a very obvious practical flaw ....  |
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◊ 2024-01-17 16:50 |
Why? I have four names in real life, and that is not including “from”. So did my brother, making seven in total as we shared our surname. In response to zodiac’s comment about making money, I have never been able to get my head round this. What is wrong with making money? What is wrong is making money and then squirrelling it away purely to obtain more money as unearned income. Make it, use it, pass it around. Create jobs, pay wages, what can be wrong with that? -- Last edit: 2024-01-17 16:59:25 |
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◊ 2024-01-17 21:57 |
@john: I was somewhat short of time when I wrote the the last about Simms. It was Lawson and his British Motor Syndicate he fell out with. Lawson wanted to earn money to such an extent his patent greatly damped the development of early British motor industry. Money is a good thing if it is used correctly, and really bad if it is used wrongly. |
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◊ 2024-01-17 22:32 |
Yes, attempts to corner markets rarely come to anything. Another bent promoter - https://nationalmotormuseum.org.uk/vehicle-collection/pennington-autocar/ Link to "jalopnik.com" -- Last edit: 2024-01-17 22:37:35 |
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